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5400 trans shift problem

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Roger

02-11-2001 18:23:47




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My 5400 TSS trans is getting very hard to shift. Clutch is adjusted fine. It just is hard to get into any gear, like something in the shift linkage is'nt aligning properly. Any suggestions?




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Joe M

02-13-2001 18:02:38




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 Re: 5400 trans shift problem in reply to Roger, 02-11-2001 18:23:47  
Solution Number: 23204

Doc ID: R003023

Solution Summary: 5000 SERIES COLLAR SHIFT TRANSMISSION GRINDS SHIFTING NEUTRAL TO GEAR

Publication Date: Jul 28 2000

COMPLAINT: COLLAR SHIFT TRANSMISSION GRINDS WHEN SHIFTING FROM PARK OR NEUTRAL INTO GEAR AFTER CLUTCH PEDAL IS DEPRESSED. PROBLEM: DIFFICULT TO DIAGNOSE TRACTION CLUTCH DRAG AND NORMAL CLUTCH OPERATING CHARACTERISTICS. SOLUTION: THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION WILL ASSIST IN DIAGNOSIS AND RESOLVING TRACTION CLUTCH COMPLAINTS. 1. INSURE CLUTCH PEDAL HAS FULL TRAVEL. RESTRICTED PEDAL TRAVEL WILL PREVENT FULL RELEASE OF THE CLUTCH. CLUTCH PEDAL TRAVEL COULD BE RESTRICTED BY CONTROL SUPPORT. THERE IS A SLOT IN THE CONTROL SUPPORT FOR TRACTION CLUTCH PEDAL TO PASS THROUGH. IF THIS SLOT IS RESTRICTING THE PEDAL TRAVEL, GRIND MATERIAL FROM THE CONTROL SUPPORT SO PEDAL CAN PASS FREELY. 2. THERE IS NO SNUBBER BRAKE ON THE TOP SHAFT OF TRANSMISSIONS. TOP SHAFT MOVEMENT MUST STOP TO SHIFT CLASH FREE. A MINIMUM OF 3 TO 5 SECONDS IS REQUIRED FOR THE TOP SHAFT TO STOP TURNING AFTER THE CLUTCH PEDAL IS DEPRESSED. TIME REQUIRED TO STOP TOP SHAFT MOVEMENT IS DEPENDENT ON TEMPERATURE OF TRANSMISSION OIL. A. PLACE TRANSMISSION IN NEUTRAL, DEPRESS CLUTCH PEDAL. WAIT 5 SECONDS AND SHIFT TRANSMISSION INTO GEAR. TRANSMISSION SHOULD SHIFT WITHOUT GRINDING AFTER WAITING 5 SECONDS. IF THE WAIT PERIOD IS LONGER YOU HAVE CLUTCH DRAG, REFER TO SIB 94-3-10-7 FOR REPAIR. -IT IS NORMAL FOR TRANSMISSION TO GRIND IF GEAR SHIFT IS ATTEMPTED FROM NEUTRAL TO GEAR WITHIN THE FIRST 5 SECONDS AFTER THE CLUTCH PEDAL IS DEPRESSED. B. WITH TRANSMISSION IN GEAR AND CLUTCH PEDAL DEPRESSED, SHIFT FROM GEAR TO GEAR. TRANSMISSION SHOULD NOT GRIND IN A GEAR TO GEARSHIFT. IF TRANSMISSION GRINDS, YOU HAVE CLUTCH DRAG, REFER TO SIB 94-3-10-7 FOR REPAIR. IMPORTANT: ANY MOVEMENT OF THE TRACTOR WILL ALSO RESULT IN A GRINDING SHIFT. TO SHIFT A COLLAR SHIFT TRANSMISSION CLASH FREE, THE TRACTOR MUST BE STOPPED. CONDUCT THE ABOVE TEST WITH TRACTOR STOPPED.

PRODUCT EFFECTED 5200 5210 5300 5310 5400 5410 5500 5510 UPDATED APR97/RT
UPDATED JUL00/RT


5200, 5210, 5310, 5400, 5410, 5300, 5500, 5510

Utility - PIN prefix LV

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Deere


PT, F0308, ADJUST, CLUTCH, DISK, ENGAGE, ERRATIC, GEAR, HARD, HESITATE, INSTALL, NEUTRAL, PEDAL, SHIFT, SPEC, SPEED, TRANSMISSION, WEAR, WRAP

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Joe M

02-13-2001 18:00:39




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 Re: 5400 trans shift problem in reply to Roger, 02-11-2001 18:23:47  

Doc ID: R003008

Solution Summary: 5000 Series TRACTION CLUTCH DRAG, Transmission grinds while shifting, 5200, 5210, 5300, 5310, 5310N, 5400, 5400N, 5410, 5500, 5500N, 5510, 5510N

Publication Date: Jul 15 2000

COMPLAINT OR SYMPTOM: TRANSMISSION GRINDS WHEN SHIFTING FROM NEUTRAL TO GEAR OR FROM GEAR TO GEAR. TRANSMISSION SHIFTS IN OR OUT OF GEAR HARD. TRACTION CLUTCH DISENGAGEMENT PROBLEM: TRACTION CLUTCH SPLINES WERE ASSEMBLED DRY. RUST BUILDS UP BETWEEN SPLINES ON THE TRACTION SHAFT AND TRACTION CLUTCH HUB SPLINES. WITH THIS CONDITION TRACTION CLUTCH DISK IS NOT ALLOWED TO SLIDE FREELY ON THE TRACTION SHAFT. SOLUTION: REMOVE ALL FOREIGN MATERIAL FROM THE SPLINES ON THE TRACTION SHAFT, TRACTION CLUTCH DISK, PTO SHAFT AND THE PTO CLUTCH DISK. WITH A BRUSH, APPLY A MODERATE COAT OF MOLY HIGH TEMPERATURE GREASE ON THE TRACTION SHAFT, TRACTION CLUTCH DISK HUB, PTO SHAFT AND PTO CLUTCH DISK HUB SPLINES. ENSURE THAT 100% OF THE SPLINE CONTACT AREA IS COVERED WITH GREASE TO PREVENT RUST. REFER TO ILLUSTRATION FOR SPLINE CONTACT AREA. AFTER WORKING IN A MODERATE COAT OF GREASE TO TRACTION SHAFT SPLINE CONTACT AREA, FILL TRACTION SHAFT SPLINES 50% FULL OF MOLY HIGH TEMPERATURE GREASE. (PTO SHAFT AND DISK SPLINES ONLY REQUIRE A MODERATE COATING OF GREASE. HIGH TEMPERATURE MOLY GREASE COMES IN THREE DIFFERENT SIZE CONTAINERS. COMES IN THREE DIFFERENT SIZE CONTAINERS: - 14 OZ. TUBE TY6333 - 1 LB. CAN TY6347 - 35 LB. CAN TY22017 IMPORTANT: THERE IS NO SNUBBER BRAKE ON THE TOP SHAFT OF TRANSMISSION. TOP SHAFT MOVEMENT MUST STOP TO MAKE A CLASH FREE SHIFT. A MINIMUM OF 3 TO 5 SECONDS IS REQUIRED FOR THE TOP SHAFT TO STOP AFTER THE CLUTCH PEDAL HAS BEEN DEPRESSED. TIME REQUIRED TO STOP TOP SHAFT MOVEMENT IS DEPENDENT ON TEMPERATURE OF TRANSMISSION OIL. FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REFER TO DTAC SOLUTION R003023. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO DISASSEMBLE THE CLUTCH TO PERFORM THIS PROCEDURE. IF THE CLUTCH ASSEMBLY HAS EXCESSIVE RUST OR CORROSION, IT MAY BE NECESSARY TO DISASSEMBLE, INSPECT AND CLEAN ALL COMPONENTS. CLUTCH FINGER HEIGHT ADJUSTMENT SHOULD ALWAYS BE CHECKED FOR PROPER ADJUSTMENT REGARDLESS OF CONDITION OF CLUTCH ASSEMBLY. FINGER HEIGHT ADJUSTMENT TOOLS, JDG826, JDG827 AND JDG828 ARE AVAILABLE FROM OTC. REFER TO SECTION 50 IN TM1520 FOR FINGER HEIGHT ADJUSTMENTS.

SIB 94-3-10-7


5200, 5210, 5310, 5400, 5410, 5300, 5400N, 5500N, 5310N, 5510, 5510N

Utility - PIN prefix LV

Tractors

Deere


PT, F0300, F0303, F0308, ADJUST, CLUTCH, CREEP, ENGAGE, ERRATIC, GEAR, HARD, HESITATE, LINKAGE, LUBE, POWER, SIB, TRANSMISSION

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RayE

02-13-2001 14:17:09




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 Re: 5400 trans shift problem in reply to Roger, 02-11-2001 18:23:47  
I bought 2 5400's off the state 3 years ago
with under 1500 hours.Both had over 1800.00
spent on the transmissions in the first year.
They were under warranty,but they had the bills.
Just last week the JD dealer called me looking
for those tractors.There was a recall on something
in the tranny again.Better check with JD before
spending your money.



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McC

02-13-2001 01:10:10




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 Re: 5400 trans shift problem in reply to Roger, 02-11-2001 18:23:47  
Check with your Deere dealer. Last year they came out with service bulletins and Mod kits for some of these tractors. I don't know if they cover this aspect of your tractor or not, but it doesn't hurt to find out.



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durbco

02-12-2001 06:38:50




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 Re: 5400 trans shift problem in reply to Roger, 02-11-2001 18:23:47  
My 94 5200 (no synchromesh) had what appears to be a similar problem in 96(while under warranty). John Deere broke it in two and greased something(splines?) and the tractor is fine since. Hope this helps.



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Roger

02-12-2001 18:06:02




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 Re: Re: 5400 trans shift problem in reply to durbco, 02-12-2001 06:38:50  
My tractor is also a 94 model 4wd. The dealer put in a new clutch about six months ago, and it has gotten harder to shift since. They did take the tractor "in two" for the clutch job. Sometimes I need to let the tractor roll a little to get it into gear. Can the spline be greased without pulling the tractor in half? I was hoping the problem was in the shift linkage on top of the transmission.



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