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J-D 3150 smokes!! Help!!!

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Bob B

01-19-2001 16:12:09




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I have 3150 tractor smokes black bad under any load or in high gear. Engine starts very good even in cold temps. I replaced injection pump and injectors also removed air cleaner assy. I just bought it at an auction ; runs great in the yard . Dealer has told me it needs complete overhaul i don't buy it!




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WTW

01-21-2001 08:38:05




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 Re: J-D 3150 smokes!! Help!!! in reply to Bob B, 01-19-2001 16:12:09  
Bob, The only useful information on the previous post was twopop and cannonball. No offense! First if the engine is not using oil that is a good sign that engine might be OK. Second you said that it starts good in cold weather that too is a good sign that engine is OK. Third you said the injectors and pump have been checked and that leads me to believe they are OK. Fourth you said that the engine smokes when loaded. that tells that the engine is getting plenty of fuel and that there probably nothing wrong with fuel filters or fuel supply. Fifth you said that the air filter was removed to eliminate the possibility of air filter restriction. So that leaves me with the same conclusion that twopop and cannonball hit on and that is air and lack of it. A turbo would be the next place to go if it had one but I don't think it does. Now you will have to go one step further. If all the air concerns are good and have been checked on the intake side what is left, (the exhaust side) if the muffler was to plug it would effect the ability of the engine to get its air. Remove the muffler and see if it still smokes. If that don't uncover your problem remove the exhaust manifold and take a look at the exhaust ports you may be shocked!! As I have seen them just about carboned shut. What is common on these Saran engines with the CAV pumps was that they were smuggers and when chored with and constantly idled around they would carbon up and plug up. May not be your problem but that is where this twenty year J.D. vet would start looking. I cannot believe the engine is shot either if it starts good in cold weather. The first sign of wear on a John Deere engine is that they start hard. Some do anyway and when they start getting weak on compression they really start hard!! Don't overhaul it just yet. Good Luck Dave W.

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JDFREAK

01-20-2001 03:54:43




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 Re: J-D 3150 smokes!! Help!!! in reply to Bob B, 01-19-2001 16:12:09  
You said that you rebuilt the pump and replaced injectors and air filter. Did you check the entire air intake passeges? You could have a restriction resulting in an overly rich mixture of fuel to air. But that should result in lack of power.

You didn't say how well it ran. Or if it had any blowby. If it does not have bad blowby and you can't hear any knocking, (Usually when your engine is extremely worn, you'll have excessive clearance in the main bearings, cam bearings, piston liners, ect... all of these emit sounds that are good indicators.)

Back to the fuel system for a minute too. Make sure you replace the fuel filters and it may not be a bad idea to blow them out. I could tell you a story of a farmer who lent out his fuel hand pump out to his brother in law, who used it to pump some used motor oil. When he got the pump back, the unexpecting farmer need to fuel his tractor. What he got was a bunch of trash in the fuel delivery system. Only got it running after he rebuilt the Roosa Master, bought 3 new injectors, replaced the fuel filter and screen on pick up pump and cleaned fuel tank.

If you check every thing out, clean it and the tractor runs and sounds good, but just smokes. Run it and live with the smoke.

JDF

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Carl VanDruff

01-19-2001 20:44:56




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 Re: J-D 3150 smokes!! Help!!! in reply to Bob B, 01-19-2001 16:12:09  
Dealer may be right. Get a compression test. Try
a can of injector cleaner. Check to see if
govenor is set to factory spec. If all else fails,
rebuild or sell.



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Carl VanDruff

01-19-2001 20:44:01




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 Re: J-D 3150 smokes!! Help!!! in reply to Bob B, 01-19-2001 16:12:09  
Dealer may be right. Get a compression test. Try
a can of injector cleaner. Check to see if
govenor is set to factory spec. If all else fails,
rebuild or sell.



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cannonball

01-19-2001 17:23:48




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 Re: J-D 3150 smokes!! Help!!! in reply to Bob B, 01-19-2001 16:12:09  
a couple things to check,,,fuel line may have restriction...have had that happen on smaller tractors....check and see if the tractor has a hose from filter to intake have seen that suck together and cause that...black smoke is usually disel...blueish is oil..



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twopop

01-19-2001 17:49:14




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 Re: Re: J-D 3150 smokes!! Help!!! in reply to cannonball, 01-19-2001 17:23:48  
check the return line to the tank for restriction,if it is partially clogged it can cause overfueling.also check the turbocharger,if it has one.not enough air might cause black smoke



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Jiff

01-19-2001 16:47:55




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 Re: J-D 3150 smokes!! Help!!! in reply to Bob B, 01-19-2001 16:12:09  
It was probably sent off to the auction because it needed an overhaul, new pump and injectors, and a bunch of other work that you haven't found out yet. I seen a 4440 one time that would dyno 140 horse and fill a quart can with oil in less than 5 minutes by holding the can under the vent hose on the valve cover. A fresh coat of paint will hide a lot of problems by dazzling the eye.



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