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HELP! 4020D stopped running

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Phil

01-19-2001 14:28:16




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My 65 4020D lost power, seems like it is not getting fuel. I wasn't operating it at the time so I don't know if it was sudden or gradual. Last time I used it it was fine. My nephew was plowing my driveway and it ran and sounded fine, then he went down the road to plow and it seemed to have problems going up the hill and then it couldn't push any snow. I got on it and when I pushed the throttle there was nothing, it would just idle.

I thought it was a fuel problem so the first thing I did was change the filters. When I tried to bleed the fuel system the hand pump on the fuel pump wouldn't do anything. I turned the engine to get it off the cam (several times) as the manual said as still nothing. I bought a new fuel pump and put it on and the hand pump worked and I bled the lines to the fuel filters. I pressed on the old pump a few time and eventually it did something but it seemed like it was stuck.

I started the engine and it would just run with idle for a few seconds and then it would stop. So I thought maybe I need to bleed the high pressure lines. I disconnected three of them like the manual said. Actually the manual said loosen them so I think I screwed up. Anyhow, I reconnected them and just loosened them and put the throttle in the 1500 rpm position and cranked the engine. It was kinda hard to tell if all the air was out, it didn�t seem like a lot of fuel was flowing but I�ve never done this before so I don�t know how much should come out.

I retightened them and started the engine. It would run for a few seconds (not fast) and then stall.

Any suggestions? I hope it isn�t my injector pump but does it sound like it and if so how do I test it.

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to explain what I�ve done so far.

Thanks. Phil

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buckeye al

01-22-2001 14:36:09




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 Re: HELP! 4020D stopped running in reply to Phil, 01-19-2001 14:28:16  
Had much this same problem with our 4020 less than 200 Hrs after a pump overhaul. After some serious aggravation finally found it. Some time in its life the little riser tube in the fuel outlet fitting came out of the fitting on the bottom of the tank. Usually they take their fuel from about 1.25" above the bottom of the tank through this riser tube but our tube had worked its way out and was rattling 'round in the bottom of the tank. That was not the whole problem. Bear with me 'cause you'll think I'm cracked but read on. It was the broken fuel gauge which never did work from the day we bought the tractor. The little rivet that the fuel gauge sender lever arm pivots on, wore until it fell out of the sender assembly. It too rattled around in the bottom of the tank until one day the skinny end went down the fuel line outlet BUT THE HEAD OF THE RIVET could not enter the line! It sat there working like a leaky check valve! At hand pump speed on the fuel priming lever, nothing seemed wrong but it slowed fuel delivery to less than what the tractor needed to run properly & it would just plain quit! Would start back up in a few momments & might run fine for a couple or three then slowly throttle back and quit. Took the tank off, cleaned out all the broken pieces, installed a new sender & now it runs fine AND the gauge works! This may not be your trouble but it's just another example of how ya just never quite know for sure!

Good luck.

Later.

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steve

01-19-2001 18:05:48




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 Re: HELP! 4020D stopped running in reply to Phil, 01-19-2001 14:28:16  
I would bet your return is plugged.unhook the line going to the top of the injectors at the injection pump.Then remove the elbow fitting from the pump.start tractor,if it runs good elbow or the return line are plugged.Some elbows have a plastic ball in them that you can pry out.let us know what you find.



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twopop

01-19-2001 18:45:13




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 Re: Re: HELP! 4020D stopped running in reply to steve, 01-19-2001 18:05:48  
do as steve suggested,this is a common thing with the roosa master pump.if the return line is plugged,the engine wont run weel or not at all.there is a rubber washer inside the pumps that tend to start to disintegrate when that happens it plugs up the return line or the little check valve



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Lazyhorse

01-19-2001 15:10:13




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 Re: HELP! 4020D stopped running in reply to Phil, 01-19-2001 14:28:16  
Did you chane your fuel filters after it happened? How cold was it outside when this happened, sounds like she may have jlled up, and clogged the system.



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Phil

01-19-2001 16:10:23




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 Re: Re: HELP! 4020D stopped running in reply to Lazyhorse, 01-19-2001 15:10:13  
The day it happened it was relatively cold, probably in the low 30's. It has sat for a couple of weeks now, I've been doing things on it as I have time and daylight. I changed both filters and the fuel pump a few days after it stopped running. Since then the temp has ranged from the 20's to the 40's.

If I loosen the bleed plug on the top filter fuel spurts out and if I loosen the line going into the injection pump fuel spurts out so if it is jelled up it would have to be in the injection pump. How do I check this and repair if necessary?

When I loosen the high pressure lines just before the injectors and crank the engine how much fuel should flow?

Phil

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Moye

01-19-2001 17:53:11




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 Re: Re: Re: HELP! 4020D stopped running in reply to Phil, 01-19-2001 16:10:23  
Phil, If you have fuel at the pump, and fuel at the injectors, crack three of the injector lines, and crank the engine. This should allow the engine to bleed any air from the lines and the tractor will probably crank. If it does, tighten the loose lines and see if it runs properly.

Had this happen to a MF 399 recently and we worked on the fuel system for a half day. Then we removed the air cleaners, both the secondary and the main cleaner and guess what? She ran like new. Come to find out, he had been changing the main filter, but had never changed the secondary filter and it was plug up. Maybe this will help. Moye

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