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Mechanic bill of $2200.

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Greg

01-09-2001 17:14:28




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I purchased a 49' John Deere B last year for $900.
I had the local tractor mechanic install new manifold, rebuilt carberator, rebuilt clutch, new rear wheel bearings and seals, new exhaust, new engine and trans oil. The bill was a shocking $2200. What is this tractor worth? The paint and Metal are in good shape.




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kw t600

01-17-2001 15:51:42




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
you got screwed



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kw t600

01-17-2001 15:50:39




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
you got screwed



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boxelder

01-11-2001 13:20:51




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  

OK.maybe kinda steep,but is it done right? How much money could you make in the time spent on it in the shop?If you bought the parts then did the work when you could have been making money at youre job it only really cost you a couple hundred buck's.Now don't you feel better



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larry h

01-10-2001 18:50:55




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
here in ky the price as yours is would be 1200-1400 deeres are off 50% in the last year the bad part is they do not seem to be getting better



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Ben SO TEX

01-10-2001 16:08:49




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
If you want to play the old john deere game you have to pay, I have 3 JD and I have more money in them than they are worth,I think you will get over the cost of it and really enjoy that old tractor.



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Mike

01-10-2001 17:17:26




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 Re: Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Ben SO TEX, 01-10-2001 16:08:49  
These old tractors are just not practical to
use.If you can work on it yourself it's not
bad,but it cost the same for a dealer to work
on a $2000. tractor as a $20,000.tractor.Local
JD dealer won't even work on a 2 cylinder any
more.He says the cost of parts is usually more
than the tractor is worth,not counting labor.



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Chuck

01-10-2001 14:18:55




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
I've alway found that the best way to negotiate services is before the work's done.



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Don

01-10-2001 13:12:59




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
I would say that the bill is about right if he furnished the parts. Did he remove the cyl head to install the manifold?, I would have . Did he grind the valves while he had the head off?, I certainly would have. Rear wheel bearings and seals can add up real quick and and theres a lot of labor involved to do this. Did the muffler bolts twist off and have to be drilled out? did he remove the clutch pulley and grease the clutch dogs and bearing ? All of these things take a lot of time and If he was a dealer you can figgure $60-70 dollars an hour . When you have someone do work find out what he is going to do and how much it will cost, that way nobody gets a suprise . Just my 2 cents. Don

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HiK

01-13-2001 10:53:50




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 Re: Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Don, 01-10-2001 13:12:59  
If that's the price of labour, I've got some expensive tractors!!!! Even at $20/hr, it gets expensive quick...



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G Taylor

01-10-2001 09:08:06




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
If the bill incluided parts the cost is reasonable. A rusted in bolt etc can take alot of time to remove.



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JimA TX

01-10-2001 08:15:28




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
Did you furnish the replacement parts? If so the price seems a little steep. I just recently went thru my 1950 B and spent many hours working on the engine, transmission and fuel system. These old tractors can take a lot of time and money for parts.

JimA



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Mike

01-10-2001 07:17:36




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
On one tractor I brought back from dead I had around 200 hrs of my time in it + about 10 hrs of hired help + about 600$ of parts. I worked on it cuz I enjoy it, but your mechanic needs to charge a fair amt for his labor. Mike



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Greg H

01-10-2001 05:54:45




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
If you're farming out the wrench turning, things get expensive in a hurry. It took me two weeks working in the evenings after work plus two saturdays to rebuild my 66 4020G, and get it back together, and working properly. I put 1700 in parts, {just the engine, carb rebuild, and a manifold mind you}, and the local JD dealership told me they would do the whole job for me for 3500 parts included. I think if I would have had them do the work, I would have got a worse reaming than you did. Buy shop manuals read them, and buy a few tools. Your first rebuild will pay for all the tools , than you'll have them to use in the future. Just my thoughts, Greg H.

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gary

01-09-2001 20:44:02




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
Greg,

I am going to comment before reviewing the other posted responses. I am from southeastern Pennsylvania. It seems to me that is a little too much money. I would have expected for that kind of money you could have had all that done and have gotten the tractor painted also. Having said that I'll tell you a story that might put this in perspective. Our local 2 cylinder club restored a '41 B and raffled it off. They had $5000 in it AND ALL OF THE LABOR WAS FREE! The tractor was of course a work of art, but that gives you some idea of what you are dealing with when you take this up as a hobby. There is a perception out there, I think, that because these tractors are old that people will be willing to roll back the calendar and work on them for the same labor rate that was prevalent when the tractors were new. Parts are available, but they are not cheap. Even considering that though, I think you paid a little too much for what you had done. Around here, you can you could buy a tractor that is parade ready for $3000.
One other comment, from my observation, this is not something to get into if you also want to try and make money on your tractors. Usually, if you put $3000 into your tractor, you might find someone who will give you.....$3000 for it if you had to sell it quick.
Now I am going to look at the rest of the responses and see how other JD guys are seeing it.
You may have paid a little too much, but I am hoping you now have a tractor you can enjoy for many years. Good Luck!

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Deere2931

01-09-2001 19:56:42




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
Darn Greg you make me feel good, just spent about 46 hours on 2 1950 B's and charged the guy 500.00.
The heat bill was almost 100.00 of that. All this after some mechanic charged 1700.00 each to get them to not start, not run,heat when they did run,pluged carb passage ways,leave cotter keys off the rod bolts and half the bolts finger tight, etc,etc. So if it runs and works good it may not be to bad a price, depending how much of it was parts. So like one post said if we charged out selves 50.00 per hour we all would have 8 to 10 thousand dollars in all of our tractors.

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RayE

01-09-2001 19:23:25




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
A friend of mine took his JD 4440 in to have it
overhauled,it ran good but used a little oil.
Got the bill the other day,it was a little
over $9000.00.



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art boucher

01-09-2001 18:29:10




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
sorry to here of your sad experience with mechanic.
been a mechanic for 40= years and think thats high but thays todays version of highway robbery.
also have had to buy from jd dealers and they dont give any breaks on price to ANYBODY and you now know why there GREEN !!!!!



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Donny-B

01-09-2001 18:20:54




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
Greg, Have the mechanic give you an itemized list of all parts and labor. You can call your local Deere dealer and compare prices (a 25% markup is average). They can also give you a "Flat Rate" estimate on any service. If you are mechanically inclined, buy a service and parts manual from Deere and work on it yourself. It can be easy and fun if you do a little research first. It's not Rocket Science! The farmers of the 40's could fix them and a lot did'nt have the proper tools needed to do the repair. Also you have a Great bunch of guys here on this website who are willing to give FREE advice to anyone that needs it!!!

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Mike

01-09-2001 17:54:38




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
It's still worth 900.00. You can't add repair
bills to the sale price.Nobody can afford to use that old crap.



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bozo

01-09-2001 21:48:36




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 Re: Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Mike, 01-09-2001 17:54:38  
I disagree. The tractor is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it, or what ever you are willing to sell it for, take your pick. I don't know if $2,200 is high, but I spent more than that keeping an '86 car running for the first 60,000 miles. The posted shop rate was about $40/hr at that time. If $40/hr sounds high, think about S.S., Unemployment insurance, real eastate taxes, . . . and an insurance policy to protect you if you or a customer screws up. It is cheaper to rake hay, and other light jobs with an old two banger than a MFWD with a cab. One of our local reasonably large farmers puts more hours on his '37 B than any other tractor.
An after thought - How many of us are willing to replace manifild bolts that are rusted off or paper thin on a piece work basis???

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Gomer

01-09-2001 20:22:15




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 Re: Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Mike, 01-09-2001 17:54:38  
Mike----can't agree with you there. It might not be worth $3100.00, (Purchase price plus repair costs), but it would be a much better tractor and the value would certainly increase above the initial purchase price.



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MikeH-Tx

01-09-2001 17:47:21




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
Greg, did you and the mechanic discuss what the estimate would be, or did you just tell him to do it?

Folks that work by the hour, charge by the hour. He could just have easily been adding $2200 to your 1974 Ford Pinto.

Communicate, my man, communicate!

Sounds like preaching, but as other posters have said: Been there, done that.



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JDFREAK

01-09-2001 17:42:02




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
OH Greg,

Forgot to ask in my last post... Can I be your mechanic????? ?


JDF



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Dan

01-09-2001 17:41:04




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
Nobody said old tractors are cheap tractors, and no I'm not making fun. I had the same thing happen.



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JDFREAK

01-09-2001 17:40:27




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 Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to Greg, 01-09-2001 17:14:28  
Worth ??? If you really like the tractor, "worth" is a figure that's hard to measure. What's it "worth" to you??? As far as on the market "worth", I'd say about $2,200.00

I don't know how mechanically minded you are but, I would go buy some manuals and learn to work on it myself. I don't know about you, but I can barely afford JD parts, let alone $40-$50 per our for mechanic to work on anything I own.

As long as your happy,,well,, thats what counts...

Just my 1 1/2 cents worth.

JDFREAK

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Alvin

01-10-2001 05:14:37




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 Re: Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to JDFREAK, 01-09-2001 17:40:27  
40 bucks a hour, you getting a break,how about 70 bucks -- try that with $1.0 corn and $9 milk.....



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mark

01-09-2001 19:10:10




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 Re: Re: John Deere B - Mechanic bill of $2200. in reply to JDFREAK, 01-09-2001 17:40:27  
$2200.oo may not be to much if you are paying for parts and the shop rate for labor. As anyone who has ever restored a tractor can tell you they can eat up untold hours of time. No one would ever get their money out of a old tractor if they were to count their time.



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