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Will a JD G carb work on a A

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Alan

12-24-2000 14:45:05




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Will a JD G carb work on a A, and give it more horse power.




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Alan

12-26-2000 15:20:11




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 Re: Will a JD G carb work on a A in reply to Alan, 12-24-2000 14:45:05  
Thanks everyone for the info>>>>>



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Threshermen Todd

12-24-2000 20:39:52




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 Re: Will a JD G carb work on a A in reply to Alan, 12-24-2000 14:45:05  
I have the big nut (51) G carb on a 1952 A and it runs fine. You will have to tinker around or put it under a load to get the proper setting, since it is a little different. On the dyno, of course it may vary, it made an extra 3 h.p. on my tractor and made for a even smoother idle.



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G Taylor G carb on A is ok calibrated not lugged to last gasp

12-25-2000 21:08:11




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 Re: Re: Will a JD G carb work on a A in reply to Threshermen Todd, 12-24-2000 20:39:52  
47 or later B on gas 28 HP @ 1250 RPM & 190 cu in. Best modified HP at 1250 RPM = 40HP & 48 cu ft/min of airflow. What is a stock B going to do with a 100 CFM carb except bog below 600 RPM.It can't use even half the large carb's airflow @ 1250 RPM either. 46% of G displacememt but 74% of the power, stock. 47 or later B on distillate 24HP @ 1250 RPM & 190 cu in.( low compression/low efficiency/high port temp) Model 50 on gas 32 HP @ 1250 RPM & 190 cu in. Model 520/530 on gas 39HP @ 1350 RPM & 190 cu in.

47 & later A on gas 38 HP @ 975 RPM & 321 cu in.Best modified HP @ 975 RPM = 52 HP & 91 cu ft/min airflow. 60 on gas 42 HP @ 975 RPM & 321cu in. 620/630 on gas 49HP @ 1125 & 302 cu in

47 & later G on dist 38HP @ 975 RPM & 413 cu in. Best modified HP @ 975 RPM = 67 HP & 105 cu ft/min airflow. 70G 50 HP @ 975 RPM & 380 cu in 720/730G 59HP @ 1125 RPM & 360 cu in. So what do the numbers say? The B series engines were built to the hilt at the factory & there isn't large/easy power/airflow increases left. The A series engines have some extra airflow potential avalable. They made as much power as a G with 78% of the displacement on fewer gallons of fuel per hour. Stock the A's flowed at least 85% of the amount of air a G did per revolution. At 975 RPM & with internal airflow modifications they can handle & need a carb rated at 100 CFM @ 1.5 inches hg drop. A big nut G carb PROPERLY calibrated works well. Even a stock A with the RPM's at 800 & above will make more power with the big nut G carb. Lugged to 600RPM or less the stock "A" or common "G" sized carb on the "A" engine will usually make more torque. But the idea when pulling is not to get lugged that low,but if lugging happens the smaller carb will keep going & the big nut carb may puddle fuel & stall at the end of the track. The G's were way underbuilt with a restrictive extremely high velocity/turbulance/high temp intake system & low compression to burn low grade fuels. Lots of power avalable if the intake system,ports & exhaust are freed up & compression added. Look at the HP jump with the later versions. A stock 520 will will walk all over a stock G due to airflow/combustion efficiency. An over rich mixture will allow a very slow/ smooth idle as there is lots of fuel vapour avalable to burn with that extra fuel.Or that big nut G carb on the "A" may also have a well set/tuned idle circuit to assist fuel metering/vapourization. Just like setting an oxy/acetylene torch. The lean mixture is harder to light. However lean burns clean,hot & efficient, not red,cool & sooty. Many operators with chronic fouled plugs & high ring wear would have fewer problems if the coolant was at 180F to 200F and the mixtures were leaned to just above miss fire.

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Clyde

12-26-2000 05:22:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Will a JD G carb work on a A in reply to G Taylor G carb on A is ok calibrated not lugged to last gasp , 12-25-2000 21:08:11  
Where did you come up with the idea that a stock g carb flows 100 cu. ft. min?



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G Taylor

12-26-2000 07:12:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Will a JD G carb work on a A in reply to Clyde, 12-26-2000 05:22:06  
A few posts back (G on a B) one of the "experts" said so. How do the various carbs actually perform on the flow bench at 1.5" of hg? They have to be in the ball park of 40 to 100 cfm to match the airflow of the engines.



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Clyde

12-26-2000 07:44:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Will a JD G carb work on a A in reply to G Taylor , 12-26-2000 07:12:45  
I looked at the all the posts under g on b carb and couldnt find any reference to a g carb flowing 100cfm. Please point it out for me.



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Cam

12-27-2000 07:37:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Will a JD G carb work on a A in reply to Clyde, 12-26-2000 07:44:56  
Clyde,

With a 413 CID 4-stroke engine, the cylinder will suck through the carb every other revolution. So the cylinders fill at half the 975 RPM rate, or 487.5 times a minute. A cubic foot has 1728 cubic inches. 487.5 fills per minute x 413 CI = 201,337.5 cubic inches per minute. Divide this by 1728 to convert it to cubic feet, and you get 116 CFM. Valve timing, venturi pressure drop, and other factors don't allow for an absolute cylinder filling at standard barametric pressure, so 100 CFM is a pretty decent rate. Hope this helps some. Cam

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Clyde

12-27-2000 11:10:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Will a JD G carb work on a A in reply to Cam, 12-27-2000 07:37:45  
Thanks for your input Cam. I did about the same calculations and used an 80% efficiency factor that seems to be the industry standard for older design engines . Came up with about 93 cfm add to that the restrictive air cleaners of the old John deeres and that puts the required carburetor cfm at well below 100 cfm. That is why I questioned the 100 cfm of a stock g carburetor posted above. I still can't find any post on who said a stock g carburetor flowed 100cfm. I would like to find out where he got the data.

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clooney

12-24-2000 16:19:15




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 Re: Will a JD G carb work on a A in reply to Alan, 12-24-2000 14:45:05  
Alan, if it's a DLTX-24 it was used on both an "A" & "G" at one time. A lot of the pullers use the Big nut DLTX 51 from a "G" on their A's to pull with. As to more power, you will have to ask the pullers like Mike Aylward how much more HP an "A" will make with a 51 carb on it.



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luckydog

12-24-2000 15:05:45




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 Re: Will a JD G carb work on a A in reply to Alan, 12-24-2000 14:45:05  
Allen I am almost afraid to answer this because of the pissing contest on putting a G carb on a B. Check post further down in this forum. I have seen people put G carbs on A's before, got alone fine and said they gained a couple of horses. luckydog



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luckydog

12-24-2000 15:05:04




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 Re: Will a JD G carb work on a A in reply to Alan, 12-24-2000 14:45:05  
Allen I am almost afraid to answer this because of the pissing contest on putting a G carb on a B. Check post further down in this forum. I have seen people put G carbs on A's before, got alone fine and said they gained a couple of horses. luckydog



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