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HiK

12-18-2000 19:43:53




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I've got a 1956 JD 60 that I just finished restoring, and it's leaking water into the cylinders again. Before restoring it, it leaked enough that it was impossible to start in the winter (only leaked in the winter, when it was cold), so we replaced the head gasket (which was getting bad). Now it just leaks a little bit in, but still enough to make starting pretty rough. Put some leak sealer stuff through, but it didn't seem to help. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

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G Taylor

12-20-2000 23:53:50




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 Re: JD 60 leaking water in reply to HiK, 12-18-2000 19:43:53  
Our old 60 would blow the head gasket when warmed up with any themostat in it. The old studs and nuts were work hardened and their elastic "spring" was gone. Replaced with new & installed hardened washers, applied cam assembly lube to eliminate extra friction & galling while tightening. The head studs actually work as straight springs to hold the head tightly on through all operating conditions. If unevenly stretched, too hardened to stretch or too soft the gasket doesn't have support. The head & block had just enough resurfacing to make them smooth & square with a medium wheel. Thinner metal flexes more. The finish was not mirror smooth as that leaves nothing to bite and hold the gasket. Used a 180F thermostat but drilled a 3/32 vapour/steam vent to allow a little coolant/vapour/steam through all the time. Eliminated thermal shock & metal distortion when hot metal is suddenly hit with cold rad water when the thermosat 1st opens after warming up. Plain water coolant tends to form steam pockets & localized overheating due to it's low boiling point & high surface tension. Use at least 70% ethylene glychol & 30% DISTILLED water. Better yet use pure propylene glychol as it's non poisonous and boils at 360F. If there is any scale,rust,crud etc stuck in the block/head cooling passages they act as insulation & allow the metal to overheat and the coolant to still stay cool.1/16" of scale limits heat transfer like making the cast iron another four inches thicker. That is another reason anyone using any water other than distilled will eventually come to grief with cooling systems or batteries. Deere knew the late A's & 60's weakness and beefed up the 620/630 castings along with two more head studs.

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HiK

12-21-2000 14:00:49




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 Re: Re: JD 60 leaking water in reply to G Taylor , 12-20-2000 23:53:50  
You sound like an engineer! That's good, cause I'm in my second year of schooling to become one....you make a lot of good points, but I'm not in the mood to do much tearing down now (I just had the whole thing apart this summer!), but I'll keep it in mind. Maybe some more rad sealant and a retorquing of the head bolts will help stop it leaking. It only does it in the cold and after sitting for a while, so it's not a really big problem....thanks for the info!

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G Taylor

12-21-2000 21:38:05




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 Re: Re: Re: JD 60 leaking water in reply to HiK, 12-21-2000 14:00:49  
Way to go. The two largest groups of farmers in the future will the mega corporate operations or someone with serious cashflow from an outside source. To prevent damage to the engine from ethylene glychol or to pets that may drink drip puddles there is something else. 100% propylene glychol is pretty much non toxic, reasonable priced,less damaging to lube oil & boils at 360F. How is your 60 optioned, live power etc?

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HiK

12-22-2000 09:37:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 60 leaking water in reply to G Taylor , 12-21-2000 21:38:05  
It's got live power, power steering, all the good stuff, high seat standard. If you're interested in one, I have another high seat and a row crop 60 that need a bit of work that I'm trying to sell, as well as some other Deeres....e-mail me if you're interested...



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Gerald

12-20-2000 16:10:34




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 Re: JD 60 leaking water in reply to HiK, 12-18-2000 19:43:53  
hi,have a 60 that had same problem,replaced gasket, magnifluxed head, problem was a crack in block. sorry for the bad news. truck mechanic friend uses boiler sealer,get motor warm and put sealer in and let it run for awhile,works pretty good. also, i have used large can of black pepper, works and is cheap! have a nice holiday.



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Mike Aylward

12-19-2000 06:17:24




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 Re: JD 60 leaking water in reply to HiK, 12-18-2000 19:43:53  
HiK, did this tractor leak BEFORE you did any work on the engine? Did you have the head magnafluxed for cracks? You probably just have some dirt under the gasket somewhere that's not letting it seal, or perhaps it got damaged in assembly. If it leaked before and still leaks, and it's not the gasket, you've got a hole somewhere. If you haven't done it, get the head checked when you have it off. The head gaskets on 60's usually leak on the outside, not inside. Hope this helps. Mike

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HiK

12-19-2000 15:38:14




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 Re: Re: JD 60 leaking water in reply to Mike Aylward, 12-19-2000 06:17:24  
It did leak before I worked on it, and it doesn't leak nearly as much now as it did then. The head was magnafluxed and everything seemed good on reassembly. The only thing I can think of is to retorque the head sometime, or that there's a crack somewhere. Do you know of any good rad sealers that might fix this?



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Mike Aylward

12-19-2000 16:33:57




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 Re: Re: Re: JD 60 leaking water in reply to HiK, 12-19-2000 15:38:14  
HiK, it is very unusual for a 60 to leak on the inside. If you don't want to take it apart, I use a block sealer called Mendtite. It seems to work very well. It may or may not be available where you are. I use about 2 bottles of the stuff, and it works fine. Do realize that in this instance it's more of a "get by" fix. Hope this helps. Mike



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clooney

12-18-2000 20:13:13




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 Re: JD 60 leaking water in reply to HiK, 12-18-2000 19:43:53  
Hik, if you look through the the posts & find "Mike Aylward" he has posted quite a bit on the 60 with head gasket leaks & seems to have a way of controling the leak after assembly. If you click on a post of his you will get his E-Mail.



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