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Alternator conversion on a 2010

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Believer45

11-13-2003 17:32:05




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Good evening. I put a GM alternator on my 2010 and wired it according to the wiring diagram provided with the alternator (hot post to battery, #1 terminal from plug to a switched hot that goes through a light, #2 terminal to constant hot). It seems not to be charging. The alternator light in the #1 wire comes on when the ignition is turned on and goes out when the tractor starts and revs up. The voltage at the alternator output not running is 12.3, voltage when the tractor is running only goes up to 12.6 or so. Can anyone who has done this conversion let me know where to start?

Thanks in advance -- Dave / Believer45

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Dave / Believer45

11-22-2003 14:31:05




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 Re: Alternator conversion on a 2010 in reply to Believer45, 11-13-2003 17:32:05  
I put in two 10 ohm 1 watt resistors in series along side the 20.7 ohm light and got a net resistance of 10.4 ohms. Hooked everything up, started the engine and once engine had hit top RPM the alternator was charging at 14.75 volts. Good deal - thanks for the information.

Dave / Believer45



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Clooney

11-13-2003 18:53:37




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 Re: Alternator conversion on a 2010 in reply to Believer45, 11-13-2003 17:32:05  
Dave, it sure sounds like it is wired correctly..


~That probably means you have one of 3 problems..


1)- The belt is slipping...Make sure the belt is tight, not glazed, & not oil soaked..


2)- The battery is so dead & internally shorted that it pulls the alternator's output below normal...Try a different battery, disregard if the present battery starts the tractor.. With 12.3 static battery voltage this probably isn't your problem..


3)- The alternator is defective, or the internal regulator is malfunctioning...With the engine running at a decent speed listen to the alternator,, if it's charging it should kind of whistle.. You can also try to hold a wrench or screw driver to the alternator's rear bearing,, if there is enough magnetic force to attract the wrench it is at least charging a little..

~About all that's left is a bad connection to the #2 terminal, or the light bulb's resistance in the wire to the #1 terminal is too high, or ?.... With the engine running at a fast idle try running a wire from the [BAT] stud on the back of the alternator to the #1 terminal,, if it then charges your light bulb is too high a resistance [it needs to be about 10 ohms hot]....You aren't running that light & power to the #1 terminal from the coil side of the ballast resistor or resistor wire are you? If so you need to get the power from a NON RESISTED circuit..

~If it still doesn't work after verifying the above, try giving it some run time to see if maybe the slip rings are just a little oxidized & will self clean with a little run time..

~If still no decent output [should be around 14.2 volts nominal] take the alternator back to place of purchase & ask for a test or a replacement....

~Seeing as the #1 wire light goes out it sounds like at least one leg of the stator is producing some power..

~Here's the bottom line...IF, you have battery voltage at the #2 terminal, & enough voltage at terminal #1 [or the alternator is spun at a fast RPM] the alternator should be putting out around 14.2 volts into a normal operational battery load...

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Dave / Believer45

11-14-2003 16:56:46




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 Re: Re: Alternator conversion on a 2010 in reply to Clooney , 11-13-2003 18:53:37  
Thanks, JD, for the detailed reply. The light I got is from Radio Shack and is probably too small a light. How can I find out the resistance of a light bulb? It is not listed on the package.

I will try the direct wire around the light and see if that changes things. The power to the light comes from the battery through the ignition switch.

I will post results when I get to try it again.

Thanks again -- Dave

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John T

11-13-2003 18:51:07




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 Re: Alternator conversion on a 2010 in reply to Believer45, 11-13-2003 17:32:05  
Hi 45, I usually wire the lil No. 2F right there up to the alternators big main output lug which you wired to the Battery, and it serves as the "always hot" as you mentioned. The feed to the 1R is switched as you have it (through an idiot light can suffice) but I recommend its resistance (idiot light or light plus a resistor)be at least 10 ohms but not a lot over that.

Is this a GM Internal regulated Alternator I take it?? Sounds like it is similar to the SI 10.

The battery voltage NOT running should be somewhere near 12.6 volts and at RPM BUT DEPENDING UPON THE BATTERYS STATE OF CHARGE AND GENERAL CONDITION, could rise to between 13 up to 14.6 volts or so.

You might measure the resistance of that idiot light, cuz like I say, I prefer the resistance in the circuit to the 1R (light alone or light plus a resistor) be at least 10 ohms HOWEVER if its too much, she may not excite the alternator as well or at a low RPM's.

These readings assume youre connected to a "GOOD" battery and its an internal regulated alternator. If a battery is well charged and in good shape and theres no lights or heavy loads, the output voltage doesnt rise to the max and may not be much over 13. If theres lots of lights etc or a good load and the battery is ran down like after a start, it should rise to the over 14 level. IF YOU HAVE A GOOD BATTERY

Test the resistance in that 1R feed i.e. the resistance of that idiot light and adjust as necesary (get a different lower resistance bulb or add some resistance) to get around 10 ohms but not much more. If its wired right and the idiot light goes off, sounds like that part is functioning.

Good Luck n God Bless

John T PS Sorry, I dont have access to any General Motors or other alternator data or specs, but these ball park figures (if its a GM 10 SI alternator??) should get you going.

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Dave / Believer45

11-14-2003 17:05:03




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 Re: Re: Alternator conversion on a 2010 in reply to John T, 11-13-2003 18:51:07  
John T, thanks for your reply. Between the two replies so far I have plenty of technical information to go on. I will check the resistance - don't know why it didn't occur to me to use that digital multi-meter that I paid for. I did not know the required value until tonight though.

Thanks again for your help - she should be a charging fool as soon as I get a chance to look at her.

Thanks as well for the blessings. I can use all I can get.

Dave / Believer45

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