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JD part needed -- URGENT..!!

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Clyde Scott

11-26-2000 05:47:16

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I'm in bad need of two (2) rear axel felt retainers for a 1950 model "B".. The JD part number is B2412R.. JD no longer has it avaliable.. Is there another source for this retainer or am I
screwed..??
Clyde Scott - Moultrie, GA.

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Read this....

11-27-2000 20:17:41

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Re: JD part needed -- URGENT..!! in reply to Clyde Scott, 11-26-2000 05:47:16

Looks like half of you guys did not read the original question CAREFULLY !!!! He said he needs the metal SEAL RETAINERS. Yes, they are no longer available from Deere. I checked myself a couple years ago. The recommended procedure in the Deere service manual is to use a hammer and chisle to remove the retainers. This destroys the retainers. Stupid Deere I say!!! Best is not to ruin them in the first place and treat them like gold. I've never removed one myself but the idea listed by someone else to remove the axle nut and push the axle out sounds good to me. i'll try is someday when I restore my B tractor.

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Ron

11-28-2000 11:13:44

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Re: Re: JD part needed -- URGENT..!! in reply to Read this...., 11-27-2000 20:17:41

I can add a little to what has been posted. I was thinking of replacing these on my 50 and checked with Deere and find they are no longer available for the model 50 either. So trying to use 50 parts on a late B is not an option. I agree that it is rather stupid of Deere to show a hammer and chisel as the way to remove these retainers. A more elaborate way comes to mind but it would take a good machinist to come up with the proper fixtures, but maybe a good, circular clamp could be made that would clamp around the retainer and then that somehow be fastened to a puller.

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Frank Boerger

11-27-2000 06:35:26

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Re: JD part needed -- URGENT..!! in reply to Clyde Scott, 11-26-2000 05:47:16

Guys:

Years ago when I was a young purchasing manager for a factory full of older capital equipment, I had lots of luck cross-referencing bearings and seals and backer plates at places like Motion Industries and Bearings, Inc.

Sometimes if you can just give them the od. and id. they can find a workable replacement. I have even found the metal lips with a neoprene sealing portion to use as a retainer.

Even if you find one too big od or too small id, you might get them sized at a small shop.

Clyde, I think it's worth a try, but I'm not certain where the nearest such place might be. If you can't find one, let me know and I'll make some calls.

Frank-in-Tallahassee (on the road in New Jersey)
70 D / 855

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Gman

11-26-2000 18:21:00

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Re: JD part needed -- URGENT..!! in reply to Clyde Scott, 11-26-2000 05:47:16

Clyde to remove the felt seal retainer without damaging it is to remove axle partialy.The way I do it is I remove the rockshaft housing and remove the big nut on bull gear and place a wedgebetween axle ends and drive wedge in place your wedge were as you don't damage threads.With the wedge in place take a sledge hanner or a three pounder and drive wedge in this pushes the axle out and the retainer along with it,if you are fighting an grease wheel the felt washer is not the problem,it the enter seal between rearend and axle quill,it's the dude that needs to be replaced.Once axle is push out pull all the way out and look back in housing you can see it,not hard to change out try not to tear it up to bad getting it out,you can get the number off it and go down to the local napa store and pick up the seal Later Gman

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Karl Bader

11-26-2000 12:57:51

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Re: JD part needed -- URGENT..!! in reply to Clyde Scott, 11-26-2000 05:47:16

try www.oldjd4u.com If you don't see it on their site e-mail them.

Hope this helps!

Karl

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G taylor

11-26-2000 14:07:30

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Re: Re: JD part needed -- URGENT..!! in reply to Karl Bader, 11-26-2000 12:57:51

Could a well connected bearing supplier be able to cross reference using the dimensions for a generic seal?

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Jiff

11-26-2000 09:35:42

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Re: JD part needed -- URGENT..!! in reply to Clyde Scott, 11-26-2000 05:47:16

Go to the IH board, a few days ago there was a discussion for the front wheel felts on an IH tractor, I believe some place in Indiana or Ohio was found that stocks the felt matl. and will make them.

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Clyde Scott

11-26-2000 10:58:05

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Re: Re: JD part needed -- URGENT..!! in reply to Jiff, 11-26-2000 09:35:42

Jiff:
Thanks for the reply... Getting the felt is no problem.. They are avaliable from JD.. However, The outer metal retainers that hold the felt washers in place is the problem..
Thanks

Clyde Scott

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Rollo in Stone Mountain

11-26-2000 06:19:12

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Re: JD part needed -- URGENT..!! in reply to Clyde Scott, 11-26-2000 05:47:16

Try Greg Stephen at 303-688-3151, or email at [email protected]. - Stephen Equipment Company. He has always been a lot of help.

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Clyde Scott

11-26-2000 08:13:54

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Re: Re: JD part needed -- URGENT..!! in reply to Rollo in Stone Mountain, 11-26-2000 06:19:12

Rollo:
Thanks.. I talked to Greg yesterday and he does not have this part.. He may be able to come up with a pair of used ones.. I'm just wondering if anybody else has had this problem with these retainers and what they did to sole the problem.. Everytime anyone has to remove the rear axels to replace either a bearing or inner oil seal (my situation), These reatiners have to be removed.. I have not had any luck with getting them off without dammage, and Sometimes, as the case here, Major dammage.. I have been able to repair a couple of them for reuse.. Any help from anyone appriciated..
Clyde Scott - Moultrie, GA.

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Rollo

11-26-2000 14:42:36

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Re: Re: Re: JD part needed -- URGENT..!! in reply to Clyde Scott, 11-26-2000 08:13:54

Have you tried Frank Looper in Easley, SC at 864 859-7206. He can sometimes come up with difficult parts...

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dave g

11-26-2000 11:32:43

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Re: Re: Re: JD part needed -- URGENT..!! in reply to Clyde Scott, 11-26-2000 08:13:54

This might be a stretch, but check the part number for an early model 50. The rear axle housing is the same, so maybe they used the same seals. I've ocassionally found parts by looking for another part number. Perhaps you're dealer is missing a sub up to a different part number, ie they changed the part number and didn't make note of it. You might also try another dealer, because something like that should be available. hope this is of some help!

dave

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