Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Attention Forum Users: On the 28th of December 2023 at 9:00am Central Time, we will be taking the forums down for maintenance while we prepare the new forums for your use. Please click here for more information.

Discussion Forum
:

Green Magazine / Deere

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
ToddT

11-17-2000 12:53:16




Report to Moderator

I�ve decided to weigh in on this one as well.

There certainly is a mystique regarding John Deere tractors. Whether it is the color, or the quality of their past products, or the company�s longevity, or the two-cylinder engines, or the archival information that still exists, or that you can still get some parts for these wonderful old beasts, or a combination of all of the above, I don�t know. But it�s there.

That the archival records exist is wonderful. It has awarded collectors and restorers the opportunity to find out so much about the tractors and equipment they own. However, this information has not been readily available. It is my understanding that Deere has maintained these records for their own purposes (understandable), and answering letters and other questions has been done on a first-com-first-served-as-available basis. Green Magazine and Two-Cylinder have filled a gap by researching the archives, gathering and organizing information, and then making that information readily available. In this capacity, they have rendered a great service to Deere by doing research that Deere otherwise wouldn�t have done (and didn�t do).

So now, in this age where information is king, Deere starts to realize that it could turn its archived information into money in their own pocket. This includes a collector�s center and some sort of publication. Obviously, if they can tap into an existing publication, they have an existing base to start with. Hence their approach to Green Magazine.

However, they appear to want a significant amount of control, as well as a significant amount of the profit. I am firmly behind Mr. Hains� decision to rebuff them. Score one for the little guy. I believe the independence of both Green Magazine and Two-Cylinder is part of what makes them great publications. They don�t repeat the �company line�, and nothing says they have to.

So if Deere wants to profit from the John Deere collecting hobby by charging for archive access, parts, etc., fine. More power to them. However, they would do well to find a �reasonable� cost for this access. If the price is too expensive, and the parts cost too much, and the attitude is hard to deal with, Deere will create resentment toward the company. If it is impossible for us as collectors, restorers, and everyday people who still use our A�s and 40�s around our 10 acres to obtain information or parts from Deere, then we will find it elsewhere. This will provide ample opportunity for enterprising people to compete with Deere (which is already happening). And in the worst case, we will be no worse off than our brethren who collect tractors from other companies who are now defunct.

So, to Deere and Company, keep the fees and prices reasonable, and treat us decently when we�re paying out the money, and we will gladly allow you to be part of the collecting/restoring hobby. But if you make the fees exorbitant, and you look down your collective noses at us while we are paying it, you will find yourself alone with a few rich friends, and will not be very welcome �out on the farm�, from whence your heritage came.

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
brian waller

11-20-2000 16:37:17




Report to Moderator
 Re: Green Magazine / Deere in reply to ToddT, 11-17-2000 12:53:16  
your right in some sense bill but i have spent 5 thousand dollars this year with john deere and some amount of money last year i know its not a hundred thousand dollars but its a heck of a lot of money for a 23 year old who got into this hobby without hardly anything at all. heck i payed my first tractor off in payments when i graduated high school at 18. brian



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Gman

11-18-2000 15:57:28




Report to Moderator
 Re: Green Magazine / Deere in reply to ToddT, 11-17-2000 12:53:16  
Todd I like your message it was to the point and direct, you are a good spokes person hope Deere is listing for all collectors sake and theirs. Gman



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Kentucky Mike

11-18-2000 06:05:10




Report to Moderator
 Re: Green Magazine / Deere in reply to ToddT, 11-17-2000 12:53:16  
The amount of information, availability of parts and a willingness to get involved with the restorers and collectors makes Deere a more well-rounded company, trying to be actively involved with all deere product users (those with new machines and antique ones). This is good business. Allowing Rude treatment to go un-checked, is usually the product of a poorly-managed person and not the company's standpoint of how to treat the customer. I do agree with the decision on Green Magazine's behalf not to allow them to scoot behind the wheel of a sucessful vehicle of information. I know these ventures start off in good faith and somewhere along the road you will begin to get (as Todd put it) "The Company Line". You get glimpses of how these biases in other magazines and newspapers (worse around election time)become more and more prevasive with different owners. And 20 years from now if you compared a 2000 Green Magazine with a 2020 issue, one might look a little more like a company newsletter than the other. Write the deere folks, give them your concerns in a factual manner. Todd's closing paragraph is a good example of stating these concerns. Challenge them to incorporate meeting the collectors / enthusiast expectations (outlined by submitted concerns) into their collectors center mission statement. Most companies use these to help inform the public and their own employees about the manner in which they intend to do business and treat the customer. Who knows, it just may make a difference.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Bill

11-17-2000 20:56:11




Report to Moderator
 Re: Green Magazine / Deere in reply to ToddT, 11-17-2000 12:53:16  
Why should Deere "be nice to collectors"? So what if you spend a few hundred bucks on old parts? Do you think that is what is keepig Deere going?
Most of the people that collect John Deere tractors are not the ones that buy new tractors. You might think that they are, but they aren't. Most live in town, or farmed when they were young, of even have a small farm now. But they are NOT the ones spending $100,000 on new equipment each year. So go start your own little club and cry because Deere doesn't kiss your feet when you want them to. (Oops, you already done that.)
In the great USA, companies make money but growing and looking forward. Not by sitting around and dreaming about the past.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Guy Fay

11-18-2000 15:46:26




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Green Magazine / Deere in reply to Bill, 11-17-2000 20:56:11  
Actually, its not the people that buy $100,000 worth of equipment that are keeping Deere going- its been consumer products and finance. Lawnmowers and insurance. The collectors market is prime for those products- too bad JD just sold the insurance business. Still, bet you green guys are buying plenty of Deere boots. Product liscensing may not be a big chunk (though you might be surprised) but it is quite profitable.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
G Taylor Both Bill Todd are right

11-18-2000 09:17:15




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Green Magazine / Deere in reply to Bill, 11-17-2000 20:56:11  
Both Bill & Todd are both correct. And there is enough room for thier valid concepts & ideals. It is a pet pieve of mine about people who sit on thier behinds and cry about the "good old days". Then ask them about the future? Why they were afaid to invest in Walmart, Deere, McDonalds,modern farming etc 25 years ago and they still cry about it now? The same "chickens" are hesitant about e-commerce, communication,modern farming etc now and they will cry latter."I wish I had". So, "You snooze you loose", "no guts no glory". Even a few of my family members are still stuck in the 50's and they view the four slice toaster as excessive and microwave ovens risky. Value the lessons of the past AND build the future upon them.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
PI

11-17-2000 22:45:51




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Green Magazine / Deere in reply to Bill, 11-17-2000 20:56:11  
Bill, I'm afraid you've hit it on the head. The most realistic comment I've heard. I'm not saying I like it, that's just the way it is.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Spokerd1

11-17-2000 13:47:28




Report to Moderator
 Re: Green Magazine / Deere in reply to ToddT, 11-17-2000 12:53:16  
ToddT I would like to say that you have put alot of our sentiments into words. I hope that Deere and Company hears our words and take them to heart. I know we are but a few, and if we make enought noise Deere will hear us. Why don't we all get together and bombard Deere and Company with the commits we have and the way the collector really feel. Years ago I use to work for a Deere Dealer and I could call the Dallas Branch and get all the info on my tractors I wanted. Now you go to the Dallas Branch, to get some infomation from the Public Relations Office, they hand you a book and tell you to order the infomation, they try to insult you while you are there. Things sure change over the years.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Kris

11-17-2000 13:17:03




Report to Moderator
 Re: Green Magazine / Deere in reply to ToddT, 11-17-2000 12:53:16  
I must say BRAVO! Well put. I am a beginner and still in college and I am loving the simplicity, availablity and the low cost of these tractors and their parts. It gives me something to tinker on when getting away from the books. Too high of a price and people like myself (low budget) will have to find other means of entertainment. Hopefully Deere will come to its scences!



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
TB SCOTT

11-17-2000 13:24:27




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Green Magazine / Deere in reply to Kris, 11-17-2000 13:17:03  
If we had more "kids" working on these old two bangers in their spare time the crime rate would drop like a lead balloon.. :-)



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
henry

11-20-2000 08:14:59




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Green Magazine / Deere in reply to TB SCOTT, 11-17-2000 13:24:27  
SO VERY TRUE ! I REFLECT BACK WHEN MY BUDDIES WERE OUT WHOOPING IT UP I WAS WORKING ON MY B.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy