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Hydraulic's, shop or home repair?

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MN Bob

11-12-2000 12:12:46




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Well, we are getting a wet snow, and thought I would spend some time in the shop taking apart the Touch o matic on my 40. The IT manual IS a little vauge in spots, hard to follow the difference between the single and double cylinders. Also exploded view looks like lots of tiny parts. Should I take it off and give it a shot or take it to a shop? Money IS an object but it could cost a lot more IF I screw it up. Any one had novice experience with this??

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MNBob

11-13-2000 05:03:52




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 Re: Hydraulic's, shop or home repair? in reply to MN Bob, 11-12-2000 12:12:46  
Well, I may just slow down and order a couple more books, I have a yellow JD dealer and a Garden JD dealer, and a Logging dealer, but no ag dealer and none of them can (or will) order parts for ag equipment. So its about 60/60 miles and sometimes a phone orer is ok but not when you are stumbling through a project. Wish that dealer had email I could scan pics etc. Any idea what part could be preventing the shaft the selector lever moves from coming back out? It can be pulled out but it is stiff? Does it work on a spring or Hyd pressure? Not sure from the IT pics. Bob

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G Taylor IT manual

11-13-2000 15:41:51




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 Re: Re: Hydraulic's, shop or home repair? in reply to MNBob, 11-13-2000 05:03:52  
The IT manual looks good price wise and covers several tractor models.Unfortuately it often gives just enough information to get into trouble. Place the IT manual next to the National Enquirer and order the real Deere parts & service manual at 1-800-522-7448.



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clooney

11-13-2000 13:31:52




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 Re: Re: Hydraulic's, shop or home repair? in reply to MNBob, 11-13-2000 05:03:52  
Bob, do you have a single or dual unit? I presume it is a dual because you are talking of a selector lever. If it isn't a dual then disregard this post, also if you can obtain better information then go with that as I am far from an expert on the dual touch-o-matics ( I have only been into a couple & that was long ago.) I don't believe there are springs behind either cross-over valve (there should be 2), they should be free in their bores (they shouldn't be tight), the selector lever just keeps them seated when the selector lever is to the rear. I don't believe they move very far as they just have to unseat to work....What is the complaint on your touch-o-matic?.....You should be able to order the parts & service books you need by calling 1-800-522-7448 & if you talk to your John Deere dealer he can take your credit card number over the phone & have the parts shipped directly to you, at least mine will.

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MN Bob

11-15-2000 16:23:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Hydraulic's, shop or home repair? in reply to clooney, 11-13-2000 13:31:52  
I did it, ordered both parts and service/shop manuals from the 1-800 # Thanks and they should be soon. They told me there is a way to order parts on line giving your local dealer credit. Has anyone done that? They ( the lady at the 1-800 in Iowa) did not know the correct web address. If anyone has it I would appreciate the info. Otherwise I am sure I will eventually find it through the JD site. Thanks again to all who helped out here. Bob

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clooney

11-15-2000 19:11:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hydraulic's, shop or home repair? in reply to MN Bob, 11-15-2000 16:23:26  
Bob, to be able to buy parts online through Deere you will need authorization from a John Deere dealer ( they will probably have to know you).Then you can set up an on line buy plan. I have had this plan for a while & really like it.....See: Link



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clooney

11-12-2000 14:29:01




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 Re: Hydraulic's, shop or home repair? in reply to MN Bob, 11-12-2000 12:12:46  
Bob, you are going to have a hard time finding anybody out there that knows anything about your touch-o-matic. Before taking it to a shop make sure they have worked on some (more than one) touch-o-matics before. If they have to learn as they go it will cost you big money & probably won't be repaied to your satisfaction & the parts are getting hard to find so a shop will take short cuts to get the job out of their shop as soon as they can. If you want to do it yourself get a John Deere service manual as it has good hydraulic service info & pictures. Is your unit a single or double & what is it (or not) doing?

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MN Bob

11-12-2000 17:42:16




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 Re: Re: Hydraulic's, shop or home repair? in reply to clooney, 11-12-2000 14:29:01  
Hi Clooney, nice to hear from you again. Well, it is leaking from almost every pore. I didnt know it when I bought it because it was empty, or it must have been since it didnt leak untill I checked, added 4 qts of 10W and It just started runing out. Its a Dual, and it leaks back by the left rocker arm between the inner and outer lift arms, between the housing and the control lever housing. Actually, I think it leaks in about every place. oil all over. I drained it out just to keep it off the floorpan. I moved it to my garage and left the truck out, this way its in a heated area.Its 32 with a wind chill of 17 now. Going to get colder. Dont know enough to explain it better. Appreciat any help. Do you know where I can get parts? I sent a email to Mikes but havent heard back yet. Is there a separate Hydralic manual? Bob

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clooney

11-12-2000 18:20:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Hydraulic's, shop or home repair? in reply to MN Bob, 11-12-2000 17:42:16  
Bob, I have a J.D. service manual (SM-2013) & it has a very good section on the dual touch-o-matic. You will also probably need a parts book (PC-862)..I haven't done a dual in a couple of years but last I knew most of the seals could still be bought from Deere. If you measure the ID & OD of the seals you could probably buy them from a bearing & seal company such as Detroit ball bearing or Federal Mogal. If you need any specifics I could copy & scan them to you but the entire section on the dual touch-o-matic is too large to copy on my s-l-o-w copier. If it works Ok & just needs seals you are lucky as the seals aren't too bad to install, those things get complicated when you have to trouble shoot the valve & linkage systems. Take lots of pictures BEFORE dis-assembly & write down areas that you know you will have to remember to re-assemble. It helps to work on a big (4X8') piece of plywood & set the parts out in the order that they will have to go back together, you might want to just re-seal one spot at a time.

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lc

11-12-2000 18:55:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hydraulic's, shop or home repair? in reply to clooney, 11-12-2000 18:20:52  
Clooney, while on the subject of the JD 40 hydrolics,, mine is leaking oil into the crankcase. IS that a very difficult repair? I have a drawing from the jd dealer. Is there anything that would require special tools or knowledge?, thanks



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clooney

11-13-2000 13:57:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hydraulic's, shop or home repair? in reply to lc, 11-12-2000 18:55:41  
Lc, it sounds like the "O" ring & leather seal on the pump drive shaft are leaking. The repair isn't hard but does involve removing the radiator & pump. I don't know about the availability of parts yet (I did one a while ago & bought parts from Deere but parts are getting harder to find so check first) The "O" rings for the shaft & pump body can probably be matched to generic "o" rings & the pump to engine gasket can be made & the leather washer can probably be made or replaced with a seal if necessary. Let me know if you want to do the job yourself & I will scan you a parts break down & pump removal breakdown ( it will take some time though as I don't have my books or scanner in my shop so I will have to do it when I am at my "in home" computer. NOTE: there is a chance the needle bearings or shaft for the pump shaft are worn & causing the "O" ring & washer to leak so that could be extra work, expense, & hard to find parts.

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