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40U Hydraulics

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Prune Picker

10-18-2000 17:00:56




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Bought a nice little 40U at an auction this weekend. Quiet motor and decent tin. The three point lift does not function AT ALL! Any guidance on where to start, assuming there is 10W oil in the system? I am reluctant to just start taking things apart and don't really know what to look for.




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MN Bob

10-19-2000 18:42:59




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 Re: 40U Hydraulics in reply to Prune Picker, 10-18-2000 17:00:56  
Hope you guys hang around. I have a leak or two in mine, and the plunger the selector lever moves does not return (outward) as I think it should. I have recieved the operators manual, bought an IT service manual off ebay, intend to go to work as soon as the manual gets here. Is the IT going to help or should I be looking for the JD manual? Thanks, MN Bob



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clooney

10-20-2000 05:21:29




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 Re: Re: 40U Hydraulics in reply to MN Bob, 10-19-2000 18:42:59  
Bob, the I&T is ok for basic things but I think you will find it lacking for advanced & hydraulic work.



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clooney

10-18-2000 18:06:57




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 Re: 40U Hydraulics in reply to Prune Picker, 10-18-2000 17:00:56  
Prune picker, the touch-o-matic system is a very difficult system to diagnose when you are actually working on it let alone by E-mail. The best thing for you to do is get a service manual if you want to go into it very far (I have worked on a few of them & wouldn't dream of doing so without a manual..That being said, the first thing you should check is the oil level (open the test cock on the front of the touch-o-matic unit & oil should run out). If that is ok then you should check for pump/relief valve funtcion ( you will need a 2,000 psi gauge with a 1/2" male pipe fitting on it)....There is a 1/2" pipe plug on top of the touch-o-matic unit just to the left of the breather cap, remove this plug & under it is a threaded passage that you will have to install a 3/8" pipe plug in (internal hex type), then screw the 1/2" fitting of the pressure gauge in the 1/2" hole on top of the 3/8" plug, now with the control lever in the forward position start the engine & go to wide open throttle then SLOWLY pull the control lever to the rear & watch the gauge, it should register 1000 psi+ & a whir should be heard (that is the relief opening) Note: if you want to do a cheater test just install the 3/8" pipe plug then re-install the 1/2" plug then run the test as above & listen for the whir, it should be quite audable. If it fails this test then you won't know a whole lot more than you do now but if it passes the test then the problem is farther inside the unit. If it fails the test it could be a faulty pump, stuck relief valve, internal linkage fallen off, plugged suction line from the touch-o-matic unit to the pump or any combination of the above or something I probably forgot to mention (I have CRS you know). If it failed the test I would pull the front cover off the touch-o-matic unit & look inside to see if the control linkage is still hooked up & functioning, if all ok then check for a stuck relief valve..If you have to any farther than that E-mail me for further instructions & keep in mind that it will get complicated real fast. If you have to go into the unit I can't stress the point enough to get a service manual. You "can" do this yourself but it will be slow going. Congratulations on your 40, they are a fun little tractor but DIFFERENT..... OH! I just remembered one of the forgots, if someone has had the lines off or had any reason to drain the system, the pump is really hard to re-prime on an older tractor so if it fails the pressure test pull the inlet line at the pump & force oil into the pump inlet (somehow) to make sure there is oil in the pump then re-test. Also check for suction leaks in the pump inlet line from the rear unit ("O" rings, fittings, worn holes in the pipe etc.) "sorry about the length of this post".

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ToddT

10-19-2000 03:21:46




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 Re: Re: 40U Hydraulics in reply to clooney, 10-18-2000 18:06:57  
I agree with clooney 110% - BUY THE MANUAL! You can purchase the 40 service manual for about $80 direct from Deere by calling 1-800-522-7448. There is no other manual that has the volume of information, and you won't find it cheaper (at least in the retail world) than by calling Deere direct.

If you intend to do much work on your tractor yourself, this manual will be the best money you can spend.

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Hand Clutch

10-18-2000 20:17:46




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 Re: Re: 40U Hydraulics in reply to clooney, 10-18-2000 18:06:57  
...not to be a smart a** , but make sure the lever turning the unit on is in the proper position...I am truly amazed the help you (we) can get and the knowledge from all of you guys,good day



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lc

10-19-2000 06:58:58




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 Re: Re: Re: 40U Hydraulics in reply to Hand Clutch, 10-18-2000 20:17:46  
I'm not aware of a lever to turn it on. There is a lever under the left side of the seat that is used to operate the dual cylinders separately, if it has dual controls. I have the manuel , but it still looks complicated to me.



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clooney

10-19-2000 07:13:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 40U Hydraulics in reply to lc, 10-19-2000 06:58:58  
lc, you are correct, on a 40 there is no lever to enable or disable the touch-o-matic.



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clooney

10-19-2000 07:12:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 40U Hydraulics in reply to lc, 10-19-2000 06:58:58  
lc, you are correct, on a 40 there is no lever to enable or disable the touch-o-matic.



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Prune Picker

10-23-2000 07:25:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 40U Hydraulics in reply to clooney, 10-19-2000 07:12:51  
Hydraulics now work great. Turns out the system was low on fluid, which was mostly water, and one of the couplings was so loose that fluid leaked out as fast as it was put in. I replaced a couple of O rings and flushed the system with a gallon of diesel oil, then with hydraulic fluid. It's amazing the things works at all with all the water that came out of it. Thanks to all for their input and advice.

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