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Hauling G B JD's

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Tom Braid

09-25-2000 18:30:56




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These tractors are both narrow fronts. The B is a 1944, The G is a 49. I
would like to haul these tractors about 80 miles and I have a car type HDuty
trailer, is has 6,000# axles with
8 bolt wheels. My question is where is the weight center of these tractors
relative to the rear axles. I may have to winch these tractors on especially
the B as they have not been started for a couple years. I will have to block
the trailer bed with railroad ties to clear the tandem fenders.
I do not intend to try move in the wheels as the G has a JD 45 loader on it.
My thought is that if I try to put the Tractor on frontwards there may not be enough or may
be negative weight on the tongue.
I can figure this out if some one could tell me where to get the weight
center line info
Thanks in advance for any help.
Tom Braid
White Bear Lake. MN
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clooney

09-26-2000 17:11:05




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 Re: Hauling G B JD's in reply to Tom Braid, 09-25-2000 18:30:56  
Tom, it sounds like Mike is pretty close on his position. I used to haul my J.D.70 with the rear wheels centered between the axles,(facing forward) where mike puts his. I am only hauling with a 10 series truck & found it hauled a little better for me with the rear wheels centered on the rear axle. If you have a heavy duty truck that can handle more tongue weight Mikes position is probably a little better spot as it puts more weight on the truck. You might want to check that loader tractor as most of them had loaded rear tires (an extra 500-800+ lbs on the back end)& as mike said a couple of inches makes a big difference.

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Mike Aylward

09-26-2000 05:17:45




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 Re: Hauling G B JD's in reply to Tom Braid, 09-25-2000 18:30:56  
Tom, I have to haul tractors very often on my trailer. I have a tandem axle dual wheel trailer, and on the floor I have painted a line that is the center between the axles. When I haul just one tractor I try to center the rear axle of it somewhere over that line (tractor facing forward). I haul my pulling tractor quite a bit (and some distance), and depending on where I have the weights on it, a few inches either way makes a big difference. Perhaps this will give you a rough idea. Hope this helps. Mike

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Bill {Antique Acres}

09-25-2000 19:14:09




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 Re: Hauling G B JD's in reply to Tom Braid, 09-25-2000 18:30:56  
First, what size trailer do you have? Second, what are you pulling with? Third, I assume you have brakes on both axles. Assuming your trailer is long enough, you have enough truck, and you have dual axles of brakes. I would back the B on all the way to the front of the trailer and angle the front of the tractor as far to one side as you can. I would the pull the G up along side the front of the B, assuming it will fit with the loader. Then position it to where there is about 10% - 15% of the total weight on your tongue. Or when the back of the truck is slightly lower than were it would normally ride. For 12,000lb. GVW you are going to be pushing it. You have to figure you are going to have at least 12,000lbs. in tractors, because you have the loader. If it were me I would suggest one at a time. That will be quite a load for that trailer with both tractors. Just remember it only takes a second for something to happen, espicially with a loaded trailer behind you. Even if you are careful it don't mean someone won't pull out or stop in front of you unexpectedly. I have a proper setup and about ate a telephone pole last weekend when a lady stopped suddenly in front of me when I was pulling home my new A with a plow. Just remember you only live once, and a unsafe quicker trip isn't worth losing it. Bill {Antique Acres}

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Gman

09-25-2000 19:10:51




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 Re: Hauling G B JD's in reply to Tom Braid, 09-25-2000 18:30:56  
Tom that "G" will weigh between 6-7000lbs without fluid in tires and the B will probably weigh 35-4000 lbs.and you want to pull them on a bumper hitch trailer built for lawn mowers,this don't seem to safe to me.I haul two "G"s on a 28' dual tandum trailer,you better give this a little more though,the "G" alone is questionable. Later



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Tom Braid

09-25-2000 19:33:34




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 Re: Re: Hauling G B JD's in reply to Gman, 09-25-2000 19:10:51  
Sorry for the confusion. See above comments.
I do not do unsafe procedures. I will be hauling them alone, one at a time. The weight center of the tractor please or will I have to winch them on and then determine, damn can't get enough weight on the tounge, winch them off again, winch it on backwards etc, etc, .
Thanks Tom



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Robert Gates

09-25-2000 20:44:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Hauling G B JD's in reply to Tom Braid, 09-25-2000 19:33:34  
Tom,

I pulled a single 1939 spoked B home on a dual axle tilt bed 14 foot 6000 lb trailer with a 3/4 ton ford. Worked like a charm. The majority of the weight appeared to be infront of the rear axle (don't know exact position it will vary with the tractor). What I did was put it on front first and moved it forward slowly with a come along until the hitch started to load up. I pulled it forward a couple of inches at a time and checked the truck until I had a reasonable load on the tonque. I pulled it 800 miles with no problems but did not go over 55 mph. Good Luck

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Tom Braid

09-26-2000 09:10:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hauling G B JD's in reply to Robert Gates, 09-25-2000 20:44:10  
This trailer has H Duty 6000# axels 2 ea axles =
12,000# with brakes on each. The trailer capacity is not the problem. I would like to know how much weight there will or won't be on the tounge, (without going through a trial and error procedure), when the front wheels reach the front of the trailer.If not suffecient I will load it rear wheels forward and position them accordingly. I have no doubt I can get suffecient weight then to make that 7600# Diesel, (4000# Front Axel/3600# Rear Axel, Weighed It at the feed store, It has a cherry picker type lift on it with a 4'x7'x3/4" steel base that is securely bolted to the frame with schedule 8 bolts.) do wheel stands. This is not what I had in mind. I prefer to load it front first and leave the #45 loader attached. I will do all the measuring and calculating when I find out the tractor balance point, if I ever do.
It looks to me that most people use their trailer as balancing device or fulcrum and do a trial and errorr thing . I thought that I could use some math skills to avoid this, but I am beginning to have my doubts.
Thanks.
Tom

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Kerry Miller

09-26-2000 11:42:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hauling G B JD's in reply to Tom Braid, 09-26-2000 09:10:20  
I've done a weight and balance on an airplane but never on a tractor! I always heard you wanted to load the trailer 60/40 with 60% of the weight in the front, but it really depends on how much weight you want on the tongue. I just drive mine up until the truck sits down about right, then stop.

And no, that's NOT how I load the airplane...

Kerry



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