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JD 50 rear wheels.......unable to adjust

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Mark

09-05-2000 21:24:33




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I am unable to adjust the rear wheels in or out on our John Deere 50. I am following the procedure in the owners manual. I am able to turn all of the bolts except the racking bolt that actually moves the wheel. I have been squirting all bolts with penetrating oil. Is there anything else I can try?

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Chuck

09-07-2000 05:04:34




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 Re: JD 50 rear wheels.......unable to adjust in reply to Mark, 09-05-2000 21:24:33  
like the response on the posts about freeing the hubs except the ideal of using the sledges impacting the axle. You may find yourself going into the rear end and replacing the bull gear nuts, not a good job. My thoughts are to dissamble the hub. removing the wedges. Rotate the wheel to where it is free of the rack, let it drop down away from the adjuster. You'll need to secure the wheel, chains what nots then get after the adjuster. I use a substance call kroil and it works like a top. I've had to use 3/4 drive tools and a jackhandle cheater a lot of times. Try just working the ajuster back and forth like a rocking motion. Crud can really seize up a part. You might tap on it to jar crud out. Sure wouldn't hit the axles with a sledge hammer....

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Mark

09-06-2000 21:43:41




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 Re: JD 50 rear wheels.......unable to adjust in reply to Mark, 09-05-2000 21:24:33  
Thanks to all for relating your experiences with this frustrating problem. It sounds like much patience and persistence will be required. I now have a better idea of what needs to be done thanks to your excellent postings. Ther owner's manual does not provide a detailed enough description of the axle and wheel rack and pinion assembly for me to have appreciated what needs to be accomplished. I will report my experiences when I hopefully have the wheels free from their axles. The wheels are stuck in different positions on the axles and it is unknown how long they have been this way. I can think of several reasons to have them free and equidistant from the tractor's centerline.

Mark

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Duke

09-06-2000 20:29:31




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 Re: JD 50 rear wheels.......unable to adjust in reply to Mark, 09-05-2000 21:24:33  
1.Turn the axle so that the rack is up
2.Remove the three bolts that hold in the wedge.
3.Tighten the jack bolts a much as you can but not past 600-700 ftlbs the wedge can break
4.Jack up one side of the tractor
5.Hit the end of the axle with a twelve pound sledge
three times,hit it square so you don't damage it
6.Tighten the jack bolts
7.Repeat 5-7 until the wedge is loose and you can remove it completly
8.Put a cart under the wheel or a piece of plywood with lots of grease on it
9.Lower the jack until the rack is free of the pinon
10.Roll or slide the tire off the axle

Now all you have to do is get the pinion loose or just move the wheel to where you want it and jack it up and reinstall the wedge, tourque the bolts.

Most of the stuck wheels I encounter are more from too much torque not rust

You can use oil, grease or anti-seize to help it move next time, or for you origiality nuts put wax paper on the wedge and axle as recommended by Deere

An impact 3/4" or bigger helps alot but I have moved many with nothing but the JD wheel adjusting wrenches, they can handle a hard hit with a sledge.

this technique has never failed me

If you ever drive a tractor to loosen the wedge and loose it while driving you will never want to do it again. trust me I have experienced this

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Kerry Miller

09-06-2000 19:34:21




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 Re: JD 50 rear wheels.......unable to adjust in reply to Mark, 09-05-2000 21:24:33  
Mark,
Don't get discouraged, you'll have to really keep after it but it can be done. Here are a few things I forgot to mention... It took us about 30 minutes per wheel once we finally took the wedges completely out and got the wheel off. We alternately heated around the bolt, soaked it with WD-40, and attempted to turn the bolt with a breakover and a 3 ft. cheater bar. We finally resorted to using an impact wrench to turn the bolt. There were 3 of us working on it taking turns on the breakover, that rust was really tough!

Ok, my math was bad, it's only been 44 years since it was moved, mine's a 1956 JD 50....

Good luck, keep after it and it will work. It will take lots of heat and lots of WD-40, I had a pretty large red area on the hub around that bolt before it finally broke loose.

Kerry

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Charles

09-06-2000 13:13:14




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 Re: JD 50 rear wheels.......unable to adjust in reply to Mark, 09-05-2000 21:24:33  
Join the club...
My 50 has the same problem. I finally had to remove the wheel (as someone has already posted) but even with lots of penetrating oil, an 8 lb sledgehammer, and time, I could not remove the adjusting bolt. Finally I used an arc welder to cut it in half. The far end came right out but the end with the bolt head still would not move. With more WD40 and a 3/4" drive breaker bar and long pipe (about 1000 ft-lb of torque) it finally moved just a little bit. Then I could gradually work it out. Nothing but smooth brown rust was holding it. The fit was so tight that none of the penetrating oil had reached more than 1/4" inwards.
And now the other hub won't even let go of the axle. I have beat on the end with a sledge, and have bushhogged at least 10 hours with the bolts loose and the jackbolts tight, and it still won't come loose! Amazing how strong rust is when you don't want it to be... please let us know how you finally get it off!

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Kerry Miller

09-06-2000 07:38:37




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 Re: JD 50 rear wheels.......unable to adjust in reply to Mark, 09-05-2000 21:24:33  
I just had to move mine a couple of months ago to get my JD 50 on the trailer. If you followed the instructions (loosen some bolts then run the others in) it *should* turn... However, mine hadn't been moved in 50 yrs so the bolts with the pinions on them were frozen. We ended up taking the bolts completely out of the collar, taking the wheels off, then using a torch to heat the pinion bolts enough to break them loose (and a half can of WD-40)... I put it back together with lots of grease, now it works great.

Kerry

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BigJ

09-06-2000 10:10:35




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 Re: Re: JD 50 rear wheels.......unable to adjust in reply to Kerry Miller, 09-06-2000 07:38:37  
Listen to Kerry because I too have one that would not fit on my trailer.The adjuster screws were frozen and I had to take all the bolts out of the wedges and take the wheels all the way off.Took a torch and a 1 inch drive Ingersoll Rand impact and heated and hammered the adjusting screws till they gave up.You should have seen the rust that came out of them.



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Ron

09-06-2000 07:20:40




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 Re: JD 50 rear wheels.......unable to adjust in reply to Mark, 09-05-2000 21:24:33  
It isn't necessary to "pull the clamp bolts out and move them to the other holes". As you stated, you are following the procedure in the manual and are able to turn all the bolts except the rack and pinion arrangement that actually moves the wheel in or out on the axle. As you most likely know and have done, there are 3 bolts that hold the wedged collar into the hub and these 3 need to be loosened. Then there are 2 jack screws which are tightened to push the wedged collar inward to loosen it. I have done this within the last year on mine and worked many hours getting those bolts and wedged collars loosened. But I haven't gotten the pinion gear loosened. I think I remember reading somewhere that the shaft that passes through the pinion gear can be driven out with a punch, (for cleaning and lubricating) but I'm not sure of that. Please don't try that on my suggestion unless you verify it with someone who has actually done it. I think the pinion gear is keyed to the adjusting shaft. Hopefully the parts manual will show this but I haven't looked at that for a long time. If you get yours loose, tell us what you did, so I can try the same procedure. Thanks

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clooney

09-06-2000 03:44:28




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 Re: JD 50 rear wheels.......unable to adjust in reply to Mark, 09-05-2000 21:24:33  
Mark, have you pulled the clamp bolts out & placed them in the "other" holes & tightened them to shove the locking collar loose. If you haven't that wheel will never move. You will probably have to tighten them quite a bit to loosen those collars (use plenty of grease on bolt threads & on end of bolts)



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