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Re: 6 V. to 12 V. conversion diagram

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Chuck

08-13-2000 14:53:11




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well, it's not very complicated...you need to start as follows...have starter rebuilt to 12 volts....add a 12 volt regulator, 12 volt battery, a resistor block to cut voltage to points, I'd install on negative ground which requires reversing wires on ammeter..also you need to change the starter button and install the one with a 12volt lug and run a wire to the distributor side of the resistor block so you get a full 12 volts on start up. Now if you've got all that and are thouroughly confused...just leave it on 6 volts...also you need a 12 volt generator...cost is about $300 for this...

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raffo

08-13-2000 15:40:29




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 Re: Re: 6 V. to 12 V. conversion diagram in reply to Chuck, 08-13-2000 14:53:11  
Thanks chuck, but I was referring to an alternator switch over. I have been told you can switch from generator to alternator. But I am just trying to find out.



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Clooney

12-27-2002 19:02:21




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 Re: Re: Re: 6 V. to 12 V. conversion diagram in reply to raffo, 08-13-2000 15:40:29  
How to correctly install a GM [internal regulated] Delco 10-SI alternator..

(1)-First the tractor must be, or have been, converted to 12 volt negative ground- [unless a high dollar positive ground, or 6 volt converted alternator is used]..... If converted to negative ground, the ignition coil should have the [-] terminal hooked to the distributor & the [+] terminal hooked to the wire from the ignition switch..

(2)- The wires should be swapped at the ammeter to reflect the new ground polarity [if the ammeter reads backwards when the conversion is done, the wires are wrong & will need to be reversed]. Only one wire should be hooked to the battery side of the ammeter, that should be the wire running to the battery [non grounded side] or the starter battery cable stud. All other electrical loads, including the wire from the alternator [BATTERY] stud should be hooked to the NON battery post of the ammeter.

(3)-The old generator & regulator should be removed & [ if so equipped] remove the ignition switch & light switch power feed wire [L] load wire that ran to the old regulator [L] terminal. The ignition switch & light feed wire(s) should then be hooked directly to the NON battery side of the ammeter, the old [L] wire going forward to the old regulator can then be eliminated...

(4)-The alternator should be mounted so the belt is tight & not out of line.

(5)-A short 14 ga. wire should be made up & run from the big [BATTERY] stud on the back of the alternator to the #2 internal regulator terminal of the alternator. That is a low power battery sensing circuit so it doesn't have to be heavy gauge.

(6)-If the alternator is over 60 amps, a 10 gauge wire should be run from the [BATTERY] stud on the back of the alternator to the [NON] battery side of the ammeter. The old wire from the ammeter to the battery [or from the ammeter to the big starter cable stud on the starter] should be replaced with a 10 gauge wire capable of handling the 60+ amps from the alternator. If the alternator is under 60 amps then the wire used can be 12 gauge.

(7)-If the tractor is distributor equipped, or has an ignition switch that supplies power instead of ground, a 14 or 16 gauge wire should be run from the coil power terminal on the ignition switch to the #1 terminal of the internal regulator. An inline 10 ohm 2 watt resistor should be installed [in series] in that wire, [that resistor isn't required for the alternator to actually operate, but is put there to protect the diode trio inside the alternator from damage due to a power surge]. Make sure the resistor isn't taped inside the harness or placed close to anything that will burn as it gets quite hot when the ignition switch is on & the alternator isn't charging.

(8)- If the system charges, & the engine shuts off promptly when the ignition switch is turned off at high RPM, that's all you need to do. If the engine won't shut down consistently, or wants to run on a little after shutdown, or you just want to make sure it will always shut down correctly, then you can install a 1-2 amp 50 volt diode [in series] in the wire that is run from the ignition switch [coil terminal] to the alternator [#1] terminal. The diode is installed in series & in addition to the added 10 ohm resistor. The diode must be installed with the polarity indicating stripe [cathode side] towards the alternator & the non striped [anode] side towards the ignition switch. That diode is placed in the system to keep the alternator form back feeding the ignition coil when the ignition switch is shut off. Not all systems need that back feed protection & once the alternator stops charging on shut down there is no additional power flow [from] the alternator #1 wire to the coil terminal on the ignition switch. I always include that diode in any conversion as it is easy & cheap & it won't have to be added later if a shut down problem arises.

(9)- If the tractor has a magneto, or there isn't a functioning ignition switch, a 2 terminal oil pressure switch can be added to the oil pressure tap & a 14 or 16 gauge wire run from the big battery stud on the back of the alternator to one terminal of the oil pressure switch, then a wire run from the other oil pressure switch terminal to the #1 terminal of the internal regulator, again a 10 ohm 2 watt resistor should be added [in series] in that wire. A diode isn't required in this circuit due to no ignition coil interface.

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G Taylor alternator on a Waterloo looks like sin

08-13-2000 20:05:04




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 Re: Re: Re: 6 V. to 12 V. conversion diagram in reply to raffo, 08-13-2000 15:40:29  
Still cursing former owner of my 620 who did a farmer alternator conversion and converted the ignition switch to a keyed unit that he had laying around. At least he didn't weld the flywheel to the crank. A rebuilder such as Kenneth can supply a generator that will charge at idle speeds. Many people get caught with an auto alternator that requires some RPM to cut in and charge. Low speed and ultra low speed cut in alternators are avalable for a price. You won't save any money in the long run even if the alternator is free and your generator requires rebuilding. Unless it's a rare positive ground alternator the coil polarity will have to be swapped as well. Unless you need 12v neg to run a crop monitor on a round bailer etc or need to install aircraft lights to land safely at night you don't need to bastardize your tractor. 12V conversions are a commonly used a crutch to improve starting problems. If you have minimal voltage drop(s) from battery terminals to starter windings, a quality 6V battery, fresh gasoline, hot spark on time, a properly built and adjusted carb, and a sound engine with compression and oil control it will bark to life every time by the 2nd crank on 6V. Put an analog volt meter across the battery posts not the terminals,crank and measure. Now what is voltage while cranking across the coil posts and then later across starter post to starter case. Often a couple of volts are lost which cuts power to less than 1/2. Electrical energy = I squared x R . Therefore 1/2 the voltage and you have 1/4 the power. Mystery voltage losses are common in paths from battery posts to starter windings. Repair the problem, don't patch the symptom. Kenneth at [email protected] , he does a fine service to the two cylinder hobby.

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