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720Deere

11-09-2003 09:12:58




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I saw a discussion on the tool board that raised a question for me. If fine threads apply more clamping force at a given torque and they also hold torque better under vibration, then would they be a better choice for 2 cylinder flywheels? Has anybody tried to use fine thread bolts on especially the diesel flywheels?




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Clooney

11-09-2003 09:42:52




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 Re: Flywheel Bolts in reply to 720Deere, 11-09-2003 09:12:58  
720Deere, fine threaded bolts won't offer any advantage for flywheel bolt applications... [They won't hurt either]

~While it's true that fine threads offer more clamping force [for a specific torque value] it doesn't offer any more clamping force if the torque on the coarse thread is raised to equal the same force..That's why there are different values given in the torque charts for both fine & coarse threads.

~The 2 big advantages of fine threaded bolts are: more bolt cross section at the thread area & a little less likely to work loose under vibration. There are a few lesser differences like ease of tapping hard material & more threads per inch in thin material.

~For use as flywheel bolts there would be little if any gain with fine threads...Both the fine & coarse thread bolts can be torqued tight enough to stretch the bolts [so there is no gain there]... It has more to do with bolt grade than thread pitch..

~Both the fine thread & coarse thread bolts can be tightened enough to crack a flywheel so there is no gain there.

~As far as better vibration holding: I haven't ever seen a properly torque coarse thread bolt come loose on a 2-cylinder Deere..

~Just use what you have access to [you probably want at least grade 8] ... Don't over torque either thread of bolt or you could crack the flywheel.. Check the flywheel bolt torque a few times after the tractor is run a while & you shouldn't have any trouble with either bolt thread...

~Remember the original bolts were more like a grade 3 or 5 [unmarked] & those worked for years if not over-tightened....

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720Deere

11-09-2003 16:47:47




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 Re: Re: Flywheel Bolts in reply to Clooney , 11-09-2003 09:42:52  
Thanks Clooney! I was just wondering if the fine thread would resist the vibration better. I have not had any problems on the 720 yet, better knock on some wood here. I will have the flywheel off here soon to replace the oil seal, etc. Grade 8 bolts should be a no-brainer for that much torque and I'll make sure to re-torque them after a few hours. Thanks again!



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bob Carrico

11-09-2003 09:41:53




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 Re: Flywheel Bolts in reply to 720Deere, 11-09-2003 09:12:58  
I have used fine thread grade 8 bolts, nuts and washers on 720d, 620, 720g, and 820d. I used the same torque numbers as listed for the course thread originals. Have maybe 250 total operating hours on the tractors and no problems so far. good luck. RMC



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