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Ken Reese

03-28-2000 20:20:16




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Yesterday, I installed the 4th-6th speed shifter shaft and fork, 4th-6th drive gear and sliding pinion gear on the flywheel side (left) of my 1950 John Deere Model B.

The lower sliding pinion gear, when engaged, does not fully mesh with the upper 4th-6th drive gear. I would say that the sliding pinion, when engaged, is 1/8" to 3/16" from fully meshing with the upper drive gear.

I feel comfortable that I installed the transmission correctly. The sliding gear shaft bearing (upper) is against the shaft shoulder and the bearing is between the two snap rings - so the shaft should be okay. The 4th-6th shifter shaft cannot be adjusted. The detents determine the positions of the sliding pinion (lower) gear.

Is it normal that the gears do not fully mesh (engage)?

I will appreciate any help with this situation.

Ken Reese
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Pete

04-02-2000 19:51:21




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 Re: ? on 4th-6th speed gears - 1950 JD B in reply to Ken Reese, 03-28-2000 20:20:16  
I recently had similar problem on 51B found the shaft carrying the shifter fork bent just enough so it would not carry the gear into full engagment. the key to a straight shaft is if it slides back and forth freely in the case. mine bound up toward the end of the stroke and further exam proved it was bent.



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STMTS

03-29-2000 19:43:31




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 Re: ? on 4th-6th speed gears - 1950 JD B in reply to Ken Reese, 03-28-2000 20:20:16  
I'm not fresh on the B but just finished a G and those shifting shafts are adjustable on it from the pulley side isn't there a bolt that goes through a threaded plug on the end of the shaft with screwdriver slots? You adjust the mesh by screwing the plug oneway or the other and locking it in place by tightening the bolt. Maybe this will help Mike aka STMTS



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Courtland

03-29-2000 08:07:02




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 Re: ? on 4th-6th speed gears - 1950 JD B in reply to Ken Reese, 03-28-2000 20:20:16  
Hi- just curious as to why you are replacing gears. I do have a problem when selecting 4th and 6th that I do not get any power forward. I am in the process of purchasing a new drive gear for 4th and 6th-several teeth are broken. At the same time I noticed that the spring was missing from the pawl. Good luck.



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Ken Reese

03-29-2000 20:37:46




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 Re: Re: ? on 4th-6th speed gears - 1950 JD B in reply to Courtland, 03-29-2000 08:07:02  
Courtland:

I replaced the countershaft idler gear. Dismantled transmission and rest of tractor. Cleaned it up, put in new pawls, springs, bearings,and gaskets. The c/s idler had chipped teeth from engaging powershaft. Previous owner(s) did not stop tractor before engaging p/s.

The shifter shaft on the 4th-6th drive gear and sliding pinion is not adjustable. The spring and pawl needs to be in good condition set screw holding shifter in place neens to be in the hole and tight and the set screw which holds the fork in place should be tight and in hole.

That's my problem in reassembly. The sliding pinion on the bottom shaft, even when the shifter shaft is in the correct detent, the gear is about 3/16" from fully engaging the 4th-6th drive gear.

Ken Reese
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STMTS

03-30-2000 20:35:16




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 Re: Re: Re: ? on 4th-6th speed gears - 1950 JD B in reply to Ken Reese, 03-29-2000 20:37:46  
You are right.Thats on the other two rails.The only other thing I can think of is to check the wear pattern of the two gears it should show if they ever meshed up completely



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Chuck

03-29-2000 04:59:51




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 Re: ? on 4th-6th speed gears - 1950 JD B in reply to Ken Reese, 03-28-2000 20:20:16  
understand everything you're saying. Wonder if you may have installed the top gear in reverse. If so it would be againt the bearing shield.....maybe you put the bottom gear on reverse....as I recall the fork goes on the outside of the gear....wish I could see it, I could tell you...any pics available....



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