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Santa Claus

03-16-2008 12:37:21




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Gentlemen and Ladies,

I just purchased a 148 loader with a joystick for the control valve mounted on the right hand frame. I am researching the deatils for a proper installation on a 1963 3010 diesel with wide front. I have spent many hours going back through the archives on this site reading all the posts related to loader installation on the New Gen model tractors. I have found many recommendations and there has been countless bits of advise offered to those asking questions on this same subject.

Here is what I have found:

1. The installation of engine side rail reinforcements is highly recommended.
2. Bracing back to the rear axle will prevent breaking of the engine rails and/or engine mounting bolts.
3.There as many different ways to plumb the hydraulics as there are members on this board.
4. Keep the pins greased.
5. The best loader stand is no loader stand. At least none that Deere supplies.


I have a few questions to help refine installation :

1. I plan to install a Tee fitting in the main supply line just in front of the brake pedals. I will then put a quick connect there and run a short hose to the input port of the control valve. Does anybody have a part number of size specs for that Tee fitting? Then, should I run the outlet line to the filter cover (I would need to buy a cover for a Model 2640) or can I run it to the plug on the back of the tractor just above the serial number plate? What are the advantages or disadvantages of each.

2. I can not find engine rail reinforcements on JD Parts. Can someone recall a part number or recommend a certain size of steel to use there?

3. I can not find the picture that "Gary" posted showing how he braced loader mount back to the rear axle. Can someone direct me to that or post it here?

4. Have I missed any good recommendations or skipped over any good advise? All comments are welcome.

Thank you for your help and guidance.

Santa

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Gerald J.

03-20-2008 08:05:37




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to Santa Claus, 03-16-2008 12:37:21  
The side brace recommendations came directly from the owner's manuals that I have. I don't see them sticking out of a pile so can't quote a number.

Take the elbow to your Deere dealer (while buying the owner's manual) and have the parts counter pick out the T to replace it. Don't depend on figuring out what it is by parts catalog. I tried that, and went to another source by description. Their first try wasn't what I ordered, the second try was what I ordered and didn't fit. They ate the first one, I still own the second wrong one (about $35). Then I took the original elbow to Deere and the correct piece was under $15.

I plumbed my return to the transmission oil filter cover. I took it off and drilled and tapped 1/2" pipe thread. Deere does have a cover already made for that, first used for the 2640 so its in the 2640 parts book, runs a bit over $60.

Elbow and oil cover are academic if you have a late (side console) 3020 because then the neatest scheme is that Deere has a block that fits on the mounting of the rear remote valve that supplies hydraulic power and return in one piece. Also is listed IN the 148/158 operator's manual.

Returning the oil to the oil filter cover or rock shaft return gets it to the front pump sooner and doesn't depend on the transmission charge pump.

The side rail reinforcements are custom made to fit in the channel the rails are made from. There's no stock steel that would have that fit.

My loader is a MF-236 and I braced the side rails on the outside (had the room) with 2x4x1/4 steel tube. Haven't broken anything in several years of use.

Get the owner's manual.

Gerald J.

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Santa Claus

03-17-2008 14:18:30




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to Santa Claus, 03-16-2008 12:37:21  
Nylon,

I have seen your pictures through a link on one of your postings in the archives. Good job on that restore/rebuild of the 4020.

MJ,

The loader and brackets came off a 4020. I know that for the 3010/3020 they need to be cut to clear the steps. I have modified steps and battery location so I will leave them uncut for now. May help with future resale if I seperate loader and tractor.

All,

The side rail reinforcement discussion can be lively depending on your point of view. I will be sure to use Grade 8 bolts, lots of them and put 1/2" steel bar stock behind the rails to beef it up some. My local JD Parts Counter man says I don't need them if I don't use it as a bulldozer. I figure it only takes once to break something. After all, it is 45 year old steel.

I will be using a custom version of JMS' rear axle braces. My wheels are in tight and I have a ROPS so the axle mounting will be "custom".

The hydro connection options are plentiful but I think I will go with the rockshaft pressure line at it's source by the brake pedals and the return to the filter cover or the rockshaft return line before it goes back into the sump.

Am I missing anything else beyond what has been discussed so far. I'm sure there is someone out there lurking in the fringe with something to throw in. Come on, don't be shy.

Thanks to all who have responded.

Santa

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Mike M

03-17-2008 05:51:17




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to Santa Claus, 03-16-2008 12:37:21  
I See the controversy over side frame rienforcements is still going on. I can't prove for sure one way or the other,but I found no mention of them in my owners manual,or on line in the parts books at JDparts.com Maybe it was a service bulletin ? I'd sure like to see it. I have a 158 mounted on a 4020 gas and haven't broke anything yet since 1991 ? It has lifted MAX. loads several times. I just drive sensable. I did buy some extra heavyduty carriage bolts and flat washers for the mounting frames from a local bolt suplier. Gr 8 or better ? I returned my oil by taping into a fitting where the rockshaft returns. This is where JD industrial models returned their oil at so I copied it.

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JMS/.MN

03-17-2008 17:34:06




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to Mike M, 03-17-2008 05:51:17  
4020 has four bolts holding the rear of the engine into each side rail. 3020 has only two- that"s why the 3020 has the problem. Never heard of anyone with the bolt problem on a 4020.



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Tx Jim

03-17-2008 04:58:41




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to Bob, 03-16-2008 12:37:21  
IMHO the added brackets to the rear axles will not be of much help if the side frame bolts in engine block become loose. Yes JD had some mounting brackets that attached to rear axles but they were much beefer.



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JMS/.MN

03-17-2008 17:42:52




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to Tx Jim, 03-17-2008 04:58:41  
The side frame bolts come loose because the loader hangs from the side frames, and the 3020 has only two bolts at the rear of the block, compared to four on the 4020. Spreading the load to the rear axle takes stress off of the side frames. That"s why mine has not broken since- well over 20 years since I came up with that modification.



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larryanderson

03-17-2008 04:25:36




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to Santa Claus, 03-16-2008 12:37:21  
The 148 is an excellent loader and will work great.Just a word of advice the front end and spindles are not heavy enough for max. capacity.Be careful and have plenty of rear weights .Past experience



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Brent R. Weaver

03-16-2008 17:28:59




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to Santa Claus, 03-16-2008 12:37:21  
Just one piece of info: Talked to your local service manager at your nears JD dealership. He'll know what you need or can direct you to a mechanic who does.



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Nylon4020

03-16-2008 17:24:35




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to Santa Claus, 03-16-2008 12:37:21  
If you shoot me an e mail xxh3o@aol.com. I have photos of my 4020 / 148 with joystick set up. I pulled the line in to the joystick off the 3 point line. Same as right at the brakes, just other end of line. Easier to feed into cab for me. I dumped fluid to a line which is to the rear of the filter cover. There are two steel lines aft of the filter cover. I put in a T and dumped to the higher / top steel line. I have been running for several years now and works great. I have a synchro range tractor and use clutch alot while loadering. Therefore the main transfer pump isnt running with clutch in and I have had no problem with shortage of fluid. Only time I have some stuttering is on the first use. I think my feed line drains back. Will put a check valve in and that should take care of it.

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Armand Tatro

03-16-2008 16:42:30




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to Santa Claus, 03-16-2008 12:37:21  
Glad I am to see that somebody is backing me on the side rail upgrade. Impossible to make a loader mount too stout. I posted this suggested about a 148 mounted on a 4020 and one thought was that it was not needed. Armand



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Santa Claus

03-16-2008 15:19:11




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to Santa Claus, 03-16-2008 12:37:21  
JMS,

Thanks for all the replies and your welcome on all the gifts. Trust me on the coal thing. Don't even think about giving it to Momma. You will never recover from that one. If Momma ain't happy, nobody is happy.

I understand your instruction on the rear axle extensions but a picture is worth a thousand words just to confirm that I really do understand. One photo of the front end would be great.

What type of Tee did you use when you tapped into the pressure line for your aux valve? A description or part number would be helpful.


Thanks.

Santa

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JMS/.MN

03-16-2008 21:47:06




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to Santa Claus, 03-16-2008 15:19:11  
Tee is a standard hydraulic fitting- just like the 90 degree you take out. JD will have a part number- I meant that I do not know it. Usually, I talk too much, sometimes, don"t explain enough!



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JMS/.MN

03-16-2008 16:00:59




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to Santa Claus, 03-16-2008 15:19:11  
third party image

Stanford daughter, the PC guru- said she made a disc of all old pix- transferred them for me a bit ago. Tee is from the JD dealer- they know what you need, don"t have a part number, but they have done zillions.



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JMS/.MN

03-16-2008 16:16:45




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to JMS/.MN, 03-16-2008 16:00:59  
third party image

This would be the overall view, same each side.



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JMS/.MN

03-16-2008 16:21:21




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to JMS/.MN, 03-16-2008 16:16:45  
The tape on the battery box- indicates positive post- just a timesaver when recharging.



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JMS/.MN

03-16-2008 16:04:45




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to JMS/.MN, 03-16-2008 16:00:59  
Guess I misspoke on the holes- they need to be offset, rather than centered- to have room to wrench them.



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JMS/.MN

03-16-2008 21:52:37




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to JMS/.MN, 03-16-2008 16:04:45  
Holes being offset- you are looking at the left side of the tractor...inside hole is to the upper right. Right side of the tractor, inside hole will be to the upper left.



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JMS/.MN

03-16-2008 15:03:48




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to Santa Claus, 03-16-2008 12:37:21  
Drilling and tapping that oil filter cover works fine, for a lot fewer dollars. There may be an advantage going thru the filter- an issue of getting the oil filtered more...?? I run the loader off of the scv"s, but tapped into the line in front of the brake pedals for an aux valve, and I think the return goes to the plug you talk about. Engine rail reinforcements? Never heard of them- must be JD engineer"s response to the original dumb design- which I fixed on my own for small bucks. No matter the mfgr- it"s simply dumb to hang a loader from engine side rails. Get the stress to balance from front to rear. Real farmer logic.

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M J

03-16-2008 15:42:58




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to JMS/.MN, 03-16-2008 15:03:48  
My 148 book shows rear axel bracing and frame rails for utility tractors only It say the loader is made for 2840-3140 /2520-3020-4000-4020-4030-40-50-4230-4320-4430-4440 Was the loader in question mounted on a 3010 /3020 before I was told that to put one on a 3020 The side frame for the loader bracket needed to be shortened if the loader had been on a 4020 or 4010.



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JMS/.MN

03-16-2008 13:49:17




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to Santa Claus, 03-16-2008 12:37:21  
If "Gary" was from SE TX, I"m the one that posted to him how I made the loader frame extension back to the rear axle. It should be in archives, but I should also have it in my files. If so, will post here.



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JMS/.MN

03-16-2008 14:37:10




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to JMS/.MN, 03-16-2008 13:49:17  
I have the pix on the old computer- not this one, but I"ll describe how it is done, and can retake the pix if you want. Start with a four inch wide channel, quarter wall. Weld another quarter by four on the top side, full length, to stiffen it. Make it long enough so when it goes UNDER the rear axle, it extends beyond the backside of the rear axle about 1 1/2 inches, and it will be attached with a u-bolt, just like fenders are. It mounts below and to the outside of the battery box. On the front end of the channel, weld a 4x8 piece of half-inch steel after you drill two half-inch holes in it, centered, near each end. Weld an identical cut and drilled piece onto the loader frame bracket that bolts to the side of the tractor, the one with the spreader plate below. One hole is accessed from the outside, the inner hole will be accessed by reaching inside the loader frame bracket. Another tip- before mounting that spreader plate, torch a hole to match the crankcase oil drain plug location. Easier to change oil. Those plates get bolted together, so it is easier to dismount all pieces. You could simply run the channel forward to the JD bracket and weld it, but the assembly gets unwieldy to handle. I did this to mine well over twenty years ago, and have not broken anything since. Before that, I broke the 2 inch square tubes alongside the engine, several engine mounting bolts, which required retapping (you can do that once), then welding a bigger stud in place. Those engine mounting bolts that break are hidden by the loader frame, but when you see the muffler and the hood not moving in synch- the bolts are broken. Neighbor had to replace a block after two many breaks, even tho the engine was still good. 4020 does not have the problem- has 4 bolts where the 3020 has 2. This mod not only makes a strong unit, it provides a handy step on each side of the tractor as well.

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Santa Claus

03-16-2008 14:29:39




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to JMS/.MN, 03-16-2008 13:49:17  
JMS,

Since I now know that it was you that posted the pictures, I went through the Archives and found the original posts.

Unfortunately, the pictures will not display. I get the little red X in the box.

If you can, post them again here.

Thanks.

Santa



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JMS/.MN

03-16-2008 14:47:24




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 Re: Advise on 148 loader install in reply to Santa Claus, 03-16-2008 14:29:39  
BTW- thanks for all those nice gifts over the years. And yes, I could use some coal- tons would be fine, for the outside boiler! ok, I did steal a little chunk from my BIL"s power plant a few years ago- just as a gag gift for the better half, but in 38 years, she hasn"t deserved it yet! I think it"s for me....



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