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Head Stud Bolt Removal

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B_Bob

03-14-2008 03:17:36




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Need to remove the head bolts from a bad block to reuse on a replacement. Don't care about damaging old block but need to know best way to remove bolts without dinging them up. Am soaking with PB and they are not rusted. What tool is the best to extract them with?
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Bob




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buickanddeere

03-15-2008 15:59:34




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 Re: Head Stud Bolt Removal in reply to B_Bob, 03-14-2008 03:17:36  
As previously stated. The old studs were junk before ever heating them with a torch to remove them. They are only good for re-rod in concrete.



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CalJim

03-14-2008 20:54:05




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 Re: Head Stud Bolt Removal in reply to B_Bob, 03-14-2008 03:17:36  
Agree with pat and others, studs should not be re-used. Once they become stretched they will not torqe correctly. They can then be heated red hot, cooled and removed with a small pipe wrench. CalJim



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Hoss in ME

03-14-2008 15:05:54




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 Re: Head Stud Bolt Removal in reply to B_Bob, 03-14-2008 03:17:36  
Have a buddy thats got a machine shop and only does high end restos,Dusenbergs,packards,Caddys and such and he says if you wanna save block and stud to warm up block and stud with torch up enough to melt wax on stud then warm up block a little more and then apply wax to stud.The wax will melt on stud then the hotter block will draw melted wax down the threads into block lubricating threads thus you can turn stud out.Tried this and it works! Later Hoss

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RobMD

03-14-2008 18:48:08




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 Re: Head Stud Bolt Removal in reply to Hoss in ME, 03-14-2008 15:05:54  
This also works for removing hubs from splined axles and the like. I use it for everything.



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B_Bob

03-14-2008 19:40:16




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 Re: Head Stud Bolt Removal in reply to RobMD, 03-14-2008 18:48:08  
Thanks to all for the information. The block is toast so I can sacrifice it and do my best to salvage the bolts - lot of good ideas. About all the block is good for is a double-barrel mortar for the Fourth of July.



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buickanddeere

03-14-2008 13:05:34




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 Re: Head Stud Bolt Removal in reply to B_Bob, 03-14-2008 03:17:36  
Burn the old studs out with a plasma cutter.



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PBrowning

03-14-2008 06:01:04




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 Re: Head Stud Bolt Removal in reply to B_Bob, 03-14-2008 03:17:36  
B-Bob -- You have a small tiger by the tail here. Perhaps the greater question is which has more value, cylinder block or a set of studs?

Whether or not to apply heat is one issue such as -- how much is too much? Lots of heat will likely weaken a stud. And then whether a so-called stud remover is used, or you choose the double-nut method, substantial torque is quite often needed to remove one or more of them. Excessive torque (How much is that?) will also weaken a stud.

All this being observed, my take on this -- is to pretreat with Kroil or PB Blaster for several days, and then attempt to back them out. If they come along with no greater torque than would routinely be applied during installation, the stud is reusable. If exceesive torque is needed and/or if heat is needed -- the stud should become a trophy (replace it!). Emphasis during stud removal must be placed on protecting the cylinder block.

And as for having the machine shop remove them, you almost have to assume they will use heat to avoid damaging the cylinder block -- and in this case, buy a whole set of new studs! You can call this being too cautious -- I call it "been there, had it happen to me". During build-up, after a 2nd retorque, one stud gave way -- sounded like a gunshot -- not a desired outcome. (PatB)

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jdhbag

03-14-2008 05:20:00




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 Re: Head Stud Bolt Removal in reply to B_Bob, 03-14-2008 03:17:36  
Sears has a stud remover tool. I have one and use it periodically but am not overly thrilled with it. If you arent worried about the block then i would use heat but try not to overly heat the studs.



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johns48jdb

03-14-2008 04:53:45




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 Re: Head Stud Bolt Removal in reply to B_Bob, 03-14-2008 03:17:36  
i've always been told to not reuse head bolts because they have been stretched at least once and if the tractor was rode hard and put up wet then they could have been reused several times. i'd just buy new ones.



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Mike M

03-14-2008 04:10:36




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 Re: Head Stud Bolt Removal in reply to B_Bob, 03-14-2008 03:17:36  
A stud remover tool. someone posted a picture of one here or at tool talk not long ago. Double nutting them works good too.



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THE SMOOTHED DEERES

03-14-2008 05:56:23




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 Re: Head Stud Bolt Removal in reply to Mike M, 03-14-2008 04:10:36  
Mike i'm leaking ,i left you an e-mail. I don't know how often you check it thks.



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Mike M

03-14-2008 07:16:13




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 Re: Head Stud Bolt Removal in reply to THE SMOOTHED DEERES, 03-14-2008 05:56:23  
reply sent.



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