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Jon Hurley

02-14-2008 13:25:18




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finally got my "new" '41B hand start going today after putting in new plugs and wires. she runs rough at idle and I have to mess with the governor rod to keep her going. I have the idle open about 1-3/4 turns and the load open about 3/4-1 turn. now if I have her at full throttle, she keeps running on her own, just a tad rough. does the governor rod need adjusted? if so, how? any other ideas?

I have yet to put a new carb kit in it. it's supposed to have a DLTX 34 all-fuel carb in it, but has a DLTX 67 gasoline carb. I had a post earlier about it and was told it should be ok. eventually I would like to get the correct carb, but as long as she'll run ok with this one, I'll let her go for awhile.

Thanks for any help.

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elmer jesok

02-15-2008 22:19:12




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 Re: B running rough in reply to Jon Hurley, 02-14-2008 13:25:18  
you waant to make sure the gov shaft bushings are tight. also it probably needs the passages drilled out ,this requires complete dissambley of carb and getting every brass plug out. I have played around alot with the carbs. IT doesnt matter which carb is on there if the carb is clean, good hot spark, and if the cam isnt worn to much, I can get them to idle so slow you would think it stop, GOOD LUCK EJ

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Mike M

02-15-2008 04:50:26




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 Re: B running rough in reply to Jon Hurley, 02-14-2008 13:25:18  
There are alot of people "new" to 2 cyls. don't know if this is you or not ? so First thing that comes to mind is that these old 2 cyl. won't idle smooth like other engines will.

So is it rough compared to other 2 cylinder tractors with single induction carb. not a model 50,520,620 etc. with dual induction or rough compared to your pickup truck ?



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Jon Hurley

02-15-2008 09:10:58




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 Re: B running rough in reply to Mike M, 02-15-2008 04:50:26  
I grew up around them as a kid. They can idle pretty nice unless you get them REALLY slow. My rough idle in this case is that she runs for a few seconds then tries to die unless I mess with the governor rod.



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Mike M

02-15-2008 10:23:03




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 Re: B running rough in reply to Jon Hurley, 02-15-2008 09:10:58  
See if opening up the idle mixture some more effects it any. Once in awhile you find one that needs to be really opened up. It may just be time to give that carb. a good going over too.

I'm a little gun shy about poor idle complaints on these ever since I had a fellow keep bringing me back an A carb. for an idle complaint. I finally made time to go over to his place and see for myself what was going on. I started it up and that A ran as good as any I have ever heard ? I said; sounds good now what's wrong with it ? He said; Well it doesn't idle like my 60 does. I didn't know he had a 60 !!! So I had to proceed to explain to him the differences between a 60 and an A. Turned out he never had a problem at all.

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PBrowning

02-14-2008 17:00:37




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 Re: B running rough in reply to Jon Hurley, 02-14-2008 13:25:18  
Jon -- Two thoughts here -- First is the linkage adjustment betwen governor & carb, and here it is:

GOVERNOR LINKAGE ADJUSTMENT � (The link between governor and carburetor) --Free up and align all linkage to remove any binding. Adjust or renew any parts causing lost motion, and disconnect throttle rod at carburetor.

With hand control in full speed position (engine not running), adjust the length of the carburetor throttle rod so that the rod is 1/2 hole short from entering hole in carburetor throttle shaft lever when carburetor butterfly is in wide open position. Reconnect throttle rod at carburetor. ++++

The other is to test to make sure both sides of your carburetor (IDLE & LOAD) are open. There is a simple, no-wrench test for this, over at the JD-H Restoration Site (below). Once at the site, scan across to ARTICLES 1, and from the drop-downs, select CARBURETORS. On page 9 of that piece you will find the tests, and what is the meaning of the results. The entire piece on carburetors makes for an interesting read.

If a solution is not found after these two issues are behind you, please post back with the results and we go from there. (PatB)

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Jon Hurley

02-16-2008 08:52:02




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 Re: B running rough in reply to PBrowning, 02-14-2008 17:00:37  
Hey Pat, thanks for the great info on your site. I started my B this morning and when closing the Idle needle she did fine. But when closing the Load needle, she wants to quit. I got a gasket kit yesterday and plan on giving the carb a good cleaning Monday. Just wanted to let you know. Thanks again.



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PBrowning

02-16-2008 13:10:10




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 Re: B running rough in reply to Jon Hurley, 02-16-2008 08:52:02  
Wow! Great find! That means one of the several segments of your IDLE path is blocked, and the tractor is drawing its fuel, during idle, via the LOAD side -- resulting in a throttling pattern. When in IDLE, the engine should draw no LOAD fuel and closing the LOAD needle should not change the engine's Idle patttern!

Send me an email. I have something for you. You must be warned not to oversize any of the channels or orifices in the carburetor, and also -- that it is most likely rust that is blocking the path -- carb cleaners will not remove rust, not can you blow it out! At any rate, do not stick anything in the carb's little holes until you receive & read the Restoration Guide excerpt I will send to you. (Pat)

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Jon Hurley

02-15-2008 13:06:43




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 Re: B running rough in reply to PBrowning, 02-14-2008 17:00:37  
thanks for the info Pat. I got a gasket kit today from my local JD place. I plan on getting to it on Monday. we'll see what happens.



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Jon Hurley

02-14-2008 16:40:08




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 Re: B running rough in reply to Jon Hurley, 02-14-2008 13:25:18  
If I hold it in one spot, I can feel it pull against me like it may be trying to die again. It doesn't do this if I have it running fast. I will have to try the WD-40 trick tomorrow and see. Thanks so far for the ideas guys.



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Tom43

02-14-2008 15:45:24




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 Re: B running rough in reply to Jon Hurley, 02-14-2008 13:25:18  
Dear Jon,
Check for a vacuum leak by spraying WD 40 around the intake manifold where it attaches to the head and where it attaches to the carburetor and see if it smoothes out. If it doesn't then most likely the "hidden" passage in the idle circuit of the carburetor is plugged.



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wilamayb

02-14-2008 15:35:46




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 Re: B running rough in reply to Jon Hurley, 02-14-2008 13:25:18  
Does it smooth out when you hold the linkage in one spot, or does it try to die>

Have you tried driving it? If it runs good while pulling, but not at idle then you have the symptoms of plugged idle passages. No amount of soaking or carb kit installments will fix this problem. You will actually have to remove some of the drill plugs to drill out the passages.

Robert"s carburetor sells a good instructional video on the subject as well as the proper sized drill bits. There are two videos available, but if you must only buy one then buy the second one.


Make sure the throttle linkage is not binding anywhere. Also make sure there is a cotter pin on the top of the throttle control arm to keep the linkage from sinking too deep in the arm. This will cause binding.

If none of these seem to be the problem make sure you have a good hot spark. A weak spark can cause a multitude of problems.

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