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almrm

02-07-2008 08:00:49




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I was looking at the photo records of my restoration project and was reminded of the bloopers I made. I am not talking about the technical things that I may not have fully understood. I tested, checked, and rechecked engine and drive train components very carefully using advice from many including professionals on this board. With the help, I feel I was quite successful in these areas for a first timer. I am referring to dumb moves that were simple but somehow snuck in under the radar. They were aggrivating then, but are sort of funny now.

Blooper example -

I put the wheels on the rims and applied the final coats of paint. I didn't line the valve stem holes on the rim up with the relief in the cast wheels. I never noticed this until I looked at the photo. Of coarse I had to chip the paint off the nuts, studs, clamps, rim, and wheel to correct it. Then I had fix all the damage.

Other Bloopers? I know they're out there!

Mark

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CLW

02-09-2008 08:36:16




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to DickD, 02-07-2008 08:00:49  

almrm said: (quoted from post at 06:52:26 02/08/08) D

Thanks for the decal observation. I will get the correct one. I need the one for the front of the battery box also. From this board and Green and Two Cylinder magizine I see you can buy them individually. I plan to get the correct battery box and seat. I balked at the $75 price for a new one. Now they are $95 with no bottom, or battery hold down. I did install the correct rear light without the red insert to reuse with the correct box. I have a bullet light not yet installed. I used a two position light switch (intended for a later model) and I will wire the extra position for fronts and red bullet rear. It will never be perfect. I am not going for that. It's a user. It is too common put every component factory perfect. It is, however, very special to me.

Mark

The last photo on this thread I promise. Just learned to do photos right with photobucket.

Mark, don't you just love the sound the A makes under a good load? :D third party image

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Rich Duane

02-08-2008 13:26:41




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to almrm, 02-07-2008 08:00:49  
Where did you find those nice smothe axels with no splines for this model"A"?

Rich Duane



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Paul from MI

02-08-2008 05:09:55




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to almrm, 02-07-2008 08:00:49  
One my best ones was when I was overhauling my H years ago. I seemed to keep getting interrupted frequently, which may explain what I did. I put the head back on, new lead washers of course. Very carefully torqued the nuts, then looked over on my bench to see the rods and pistons laying there. Not a pretty sight when the nearest dealer is 25 miles away.
Paul



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5020s rock

02-08-2008 01:06:19




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to almrm, 02-07-2008 08:00:49  
hi--what bloopers???? that is a very nice tractor. congrats !! we all know tractor restoration doesnt pay and i believe perfection doesnt either-lol. john deere rules !!



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The Dukester

02-07-2008 18:28:26




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to almrm, 02-07-2008 08:00:49  
You did a fine job, few tractors have the nice "balanced" look of a John Deere late styled A. Those Goodrich tires look great too. Only one critical comment...I think the air cleaner service instruction decal is wrong, it looks like you applied the decal for the United type air cleaner instead of the Donaldson type which that air cleaner is. This is a very common over sight, you usually get both types of decal in the kit. The United type air cleaner was used on the earlier styled A's, 39's through the early '47's I believe. Once again, that's a super looking tractor...Good Job, I think!

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almrm

02-08-2008 05:52:26




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to The Dukester, 02-07-2008 18:28:26  
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Thanks for the decal observation. I will get the correct one. I need the one for the front of the battery box also. From this board and Green and Two Cylinder magizine I see you can buy them individually. I plan to get the correct battery box and seat. I balked at the $75 price for a new one. Now they are $95 with no bottom, or battery hold down. I did install the correct rear light without the red insert to reuse with the correct box. I have a bullet light not yet installed. I used a two position light switch (intended for a later model) and I will wire the extra position for fronts and red bullet rear. It will never be perfect. I am not going for that. It's a user. It is too common put every component factory perfect. It is, however, very special to me.

Mark

The last photo on this thread I promise. Just learned to do photos right with photobucket.

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James Howell

02-08-2008 09:40:28




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to almrm, 02-08-2008 05:52:26  
Very nice tractor. Good work!

Photobucket is also great for creating slide shows.



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buck eye al

02-07-2008 15:35:50




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to almrm, 02-07-2008 08:00:49  
I'll own up to one of mine.... Forgot to put the cotter pin stop in the hi lo range shifter shaft of an early styled A. Didn't make the mistake shifting for several years so it was a LOOOOOng time before I found the goof up! Without that cotter, if you shift the range too quickly and to the left too far you'll go through the gate past the detent & loose the shifter leaving you sit there in permamant neutral. Couldn't have been a hand start. Noooo it had to be a long hood! For fear of it being something real serious, took it apart right where it stopped. Guess I should be glad it didn't happen in a parade! Still it's a lot of work for a cotter pin! Won't ever forget that cotter again! Like Sgt Bull said....GRRRRR.

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RonMC

02-08-2008 00:44:36




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to buck eye al, 02-07-2008 15:35:50  
I pulled a big blooper while restoring my MC. I tore it down outside and it sat for more than a year while I pondered how big a hole it was to pour money down. The 2 cross-members that support the track assemblies were of 2 different lengths, so I knew the long one went to the front, but didn"t notice that one end was 1-1/2" longer than the other. Long story short - after assembly I had to break the tracks to turn the cross-member end-for-end. I"ll NEVER make that mistake again ! Ron

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Kurt_JDB

02-07-2008 12:42:05




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to almrm, 02-07-2008 08:00:49  
Curious to know why the valve stem needs to line up with the relief on the cast? Also, what is the relief on the cast center for anyway?

Thanks,

Kurt



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almrm

02-07-2008 13:27:47




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to Kurt_JDB, 02-07-2008 12:42:05  
Some rims actually need the relief because the stem hole is more centered. My wider rims did not. I assume the design was intended to partially protect the valve stem. BTW my rims do not have the drive lugs. If they did it would be impossible to assemble incorrectly like I did. I was advised to torque the wheel properly and keep it inspected and not weld on lugs. The thought was that a loose rim depending on drive lugs is as bad as a loose rim without them because it could be ignored longer.

Mark

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Mike M

02-07-2008 13:58:59




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to almrm, 02-07-2008 13:27:47  
I don't think I have ever seen a set of those rims without drive lugs. I wonder what for rims you have ? Aftermarket ? Homemade extra wide ones ? And I also think this is asking for trouble if you ever pull anything I'm betting you can't hold them tight. That lug acts like a key on a shaft. Holds it in one spot so it has less chance to work loose. All I can say is good luck if you hook up to anything hard pulling.

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almrm

02-07-2008 14:33:26




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to Mike M, 02-07-2008 13:58:59  
Mike,

I bought the rims new years before the restoration. I am sure they are aftermarket. I understand your cautions and respect yur experience. Deere certianly put the lugs there for a reason. The tractor has pulled hard and frequently with these rims. It has 15.5 tires and they are loaded with rim gard. I have 10 plus acres on a 3-14 555 plow and other tillage tools since the project. There have also been many high gear runs on the road. At this point I will stay the coarse. If I ever have the tires off I think I will weld some lugs in. In the mean time, I believe they are not going to slip.

Thanks for the input.

Mark

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Mike M

02-08-2008 04:49:44




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to almrm, 02-07-2008 14:33:26  
Well it does sound as though you have been working it and if it was going to cause a problem it should of started to show up by now. Just keep an eye on them as with the nice new paint any movement should show up easy.



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F-I-T

02-07-2008 14:20:56




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to Mike M, 02-07-2008 13:58:59  
I agree with that, Mike. Many times at a tractor pull you would see a cast center spin for an instant in the rim and the tractor would stop. Then you knew that he broke the drive lug from the rim and he would be doing a dismount and a re-weld in the next day or so.



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sgt bull

02-07-2008 12:16:50




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to almrm, 02-07-2008 08:00:49  
that's always a bad thing, but something that can be worse is when you start thinking you did something wrong, and the only way to know for sure is to disassemble... eg...."I'm sure I put the cotters in the rod bolts....uh, I'm pretty sure I did....hmmmm... but I don't SPECIFICALLY recall it.... maybe I did?.. Oh crap, what if I didn't?? I'm not really sure if I did... AAAAA AAAAA AAAAA GGGGG HHHHH !!!! I HAVE TO KNOW FOR SURE BEFORE I START IT UP!"..... and then you start taking things apart only to find that, yes, you DID put the cotters in.... (but did you torque ALL of the nuts???? and so on and so on....

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OhioTractorGuy

02-07-2008 11:08:13




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to almrm, 02-07-2008 08:00:49  
One of the bigger ones that comes to mind is when I took the shifter quadrant off my 430 John Deere to clean out the trans case during the restoration process. . . thought I had it back in place with all the forks in the correct gear slots but I must have missed one. Had the tractor all painted but found out when it came time to roll it out of the shop that it was "stuck" in gear and would only move with the clutch depressed. Sad thing is I had the hydraulic unit where it was supposed to go and had to remove all of it to get to all the bolts of the shifter quadrant. . . The tractor received a little touch up paint later. Had it looking perfect too. Live and learn!

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xragman

02-07-2008 08:23:43




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to almrm, 02-07-2008 08:00:49  
Thanks, I needed this. I thought I was the only one that overlooked the obvious.



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THE SMOOTHED DEERES

02-07-2008 11:03:52




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to xragman, 02-07-2008 08:23:43  
Many people have stated on this board that they paint the rims off the tractor with no tires on . I simple don't understand how you would get a good finished product if your assembling and or prying the tires over the newly painted rims. I try to paint as much of the tractor together as possible as not to be scratching the paint i worked so hard to apply . Everyone is different on there resto's... P.s. I left a rag in the transmission was one of my bonehead moments .

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almrm

02-07-2008 14:09:46




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to THE SMOOTHED DEERES, 02-07-2008 11:03:52  
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Yes I can relate to some scuffs when the tires were mounted. I painted everything separately and made the final passes after assembly with masking as necessary. What I didn't do would qualify as another blooper. The tractor painting was going OK to my standards (nothing like the SMOOTHED DEERES which are very impressive!) I did not take everything else out of the barn during painting. My 1 year old baler and nearly new JD garden tractor (barely visible) took on a lot of overspray. I swear John Deere Classic paint will waft out of one building and into another and stick to something.

Mark

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THE SMOOTHED DEERES

02-07-2008 14:39:51




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to almrm, 02-07-2008 14:09:46  
Looks like you did a very fine job !! Above average i would say . We would enjoy some final photos if possible Almrm .



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almrm

02-07-2008 15:02:57




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Thank You very much! It does have a Model 60 seat and battery box and some non JD fasteners. My dad had it from new.

Mark



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Andy Motteberg

02-07-2008 18:18:54




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to almrm, 02-07-2008 15:02:57  
Mark, that is a beautiful A! What year is it? I'm restoring a 1949 A that still needs a lot of work!

Andy.



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almrm 2

02-07-2008 19:11:41




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to Andy Motteberg, 02-07-2008 18:18:54  
Andy

It is a 48 shipped on May 11 to the Lansing Michigan branch house. It burned up with a full tank of gas in 2001. I tore it down until there was nothing on the jack stands but an empty rear end housing. I think I have seen your 49 in the tractor photos. You have a lot to work with. Good luck with your project.

Mark



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wilamayb

02-07-2008 18:00:21




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to almrm, 02-07-2008 15:02:57  
When I read 15.5 above I though "this thing is going to be all tire", but I"ll be the first to admit it looks pretty good! Well perportioned. Not so much like Dolly Parton.



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THE SMOOTHED DEERES

02-07-2008 15:19:32




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to almrm, 02-07-2008 15:02:57  
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Nice looking A ! My tractors are junk compared to this little gem . This is one of the best paint jobs iv'e ever seen on a antique tractor . Jeff did this restoration for Deere Corp. I think ? Not sure on that .



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Mike M

02-07-2008 13:52:58




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to THE SMOOTHED DEERES, 02-07-2008 11:03:52  
The tires don't really go on that hard as they are not very heavy ply. Some tire lube and the first side about pops on by itself put the tube in and then start the other side and some careful use of a tire iron and pop it on. You can put tape on the irons to help limit damage and you are really only pushing against the edge and the tire covers it up. But heavy coats of paint,hardener,and clear coats are likely to cause more chipping problems in my experiences.

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THE SMOOTHED DEERES

02-07-2008 15:01:34




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 Re: Project Bloopers in reply to Mike M, 02-07-2008 13:52:58  
The tire guy came over to put on my new tires. We wheeled my primered tractor into the driveway ,he says to me that most people call him when they have a nice fancy tractor all painted up and they ask him to not chip the paint on the rim edge , which he stated is very hard too do . My response was i know , i was afraid you'd chip my paint so i called you before i sprayed anything lol. I told him it's one of those things that isn't fun to tape off but you just grit your teeth and do it. I cut strips of plastic to cover the tires with. Plus it's like opening a christmas gift at the end . Just my picky paint job 2 cents .

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