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61-4010

01-23-2008 16:35:58

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I've been a member of this forum for awhile and truly enjoy reading, learning, posting, etc. It isn't unusual that I check this board 3,4,5 or more times per day. I find the information awesome and the assistance when I need advice terrific.

We all come from varying walks of life with some being full time farmers, other hobby farmers and others restore machines for a love or sentimental reasons. Perhaps some of us are combination of the these such as I am. Regardless, each person brings something to this forum of value.

My venting comes from reading posts that are dripping with negativity. It sad to see people cut others down with scarcasm and negativity. There is absolutely no need to directly or indirectly call someone stupid or a question silly. We all error. We all make mistakes. We all forget to put 2 and 2 together to make 4. What ever happened to "if you have nothing nice to say don't say anything at all"?

I love this JD forum as well as the Farmall/IH forum for I use both manufacturer machines and find they are both very good products. And all I ask is that we bite our tongues if we feel we cannot add value or find ourselves wanting to prove we are better than others by putting another down.

Now....let's get back to tractor talk! :)

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long hauler

01-29-2008 17:05:24

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to 61-4010, 01-23-2008 16:35:58

hey p browning i have a 1950 jd g with a flat head. how can i check to see the size of the pistons. thanks for your help

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kendak

01-27-2008 14:14:00

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to 61-4010, 01-23-2008 16:35:58

I quit postng because of all negative comments directed at pullers like myself...I started working on 2cyl.JD's in the early 60's but still have to have help at times...thanks to P.Browning I now have parts books, service manuals & owners manual for the [12] tractor's I play with...take care...Kent

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4020LP

01-28-2008 03:50:24

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to kendak, 01-27-2008 14:14:00

You made the choice to quit posting. This site hae a forum for tractor pulling, and I remember many of your remarks would be been better off posted there, because some of them were designed to see what kind of a reaction you'd get, and you didn't like what you got. A lot of enthusiasts are against pulling and pullers. I'm one of them. You destroy tractors and parts for feed your egos and win two-bit trophies. Most pulling tractors aren't even good for parts when the pullers are done with them. I'd rather see a tractor scrapped or parted out than make a puller out of it.

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John Deere Jeff

01-25-2008 16:19:59

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to 61-4010, 01-23-2008 16:35:58

Thanks for posting your article, I think its a long time needed. I remember about 2-3 years ago, i asked question about the rarity of a certain Deere tractor. And I received a response from a very rude fellow, saying that I should never ask such as question, because no tractor is rarer then a 330. We all know that his statement is not true. So when I tried to defend myself and straigten out the wrinkles, the guy jumped on me even more. Obviously the guy needed an education on rarity and should have been taught a thing or two about tractors that are tractors rarer then a 330. Hey I like 330's too, but I wasn't going to get into a fight with him over something like this. (I'll never forget his name, because of him I forced myself to change my handle, unfortunatly) No offense to 330 owners by anymeans either since I have one too. But the guy wasn't very opened minded to say the least and he was extremly rude with a "I'm better then you attitude". Again your article is very nice and has been needed for a long time.

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John B. NE Ind.

01-26-2008 20:51:16

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to John Deere Jeff, 01-25-2008 16:19:59

I just picked up a 2010 hy crop in central LA. In the fence row was a complete JD 70 HY crop wide front, with 3pt on propain. I think it would be kinda rare.

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John Deere Jeff

01-27-2008 11:45:19

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to John B. NE Ind., 01-26-2008 20:51:16

Is that 70 HC forsale?? I would be interested in knowing more if it is sale. Please let me know. Thanks
John Deere Jeff

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John B. NE Ind.

01-31-2008 09:50:05

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to John Deere Jeff, 01-27-2008 11:45:19

I was told later that tractor restored would be worth quite a sum of money. He also had a G and A hy-crop, both running and unrestored sitting side by side in his shed. Very nice. Lord knows how many hy-crop 30-40 series plus a barn full of new generation hy-crop Deeres. He has sold off of this site in the past. If he wants to sell any of his tractors, I'm sure he will post them. For his privacy, all I'll say is he's in central La.

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buickanddeere

01-24-2008 17:39:24

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Re: I have to vent................ from which orfice?..... in reply to 61-4010, 01-23-2008 16:35:58

If who can afford a 24 of beer and a carton of smokes every week. Then too cheap to purchase an operator's,service manual and torque wrench/proper tools. These aids clearly answer,illustrate and even prevent some of the problem(s). It does no harm to give those overly economical characters a jab. People who don't use spell check, need a little poke too. My grammar and spelling is lousy, no reason why others can't clean up the majority of their errors too. Those people who hold safety with disdain and/or defend cobbled up patch job tinker fixes. I hope they haven't been breeding and passing those defective genetics on.

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Handsome Jim

01-24-2008 18:16:39

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Re: I have to vent................ from which orfice?..... in reply to buickanddeere, 01-24-2008 17:39:24

The grammar and key boarding is kind of a pet peeve of mine. I've been mostly a lurker here for six or seven years now but early on when I first came here I was reading a post and with misspelled words and words running together, you could barely making out what he was trying to get across. When some poor joker poked a little fun at the poster, well you'd of thought he'd hit a retarded kid in the head with a basketball at recess. I never thought that so many people adopted sloppy typing and poor grammar as their own personal crusade. It's not that hard to read over something before you put it up there. BTW, I checked over this and found 8 mistakes. proably some I missed.

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NTW ROSEBUD

01-24-2008 15:35:57

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to 61-4010, 01-23-2008 16:35:58

TO ANY PERSON WHO WOULD MAKE FUN OF SOMEONE'S QUESTION ----- REMEMBER THERE WAS A TIME WHEN YOU DID NOT KNOW.

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B from Texas

01-24-2008 13:15:31

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to 61-4010, 01-23-2008 16:35:58

GREAT POST 61-4010!!!!! !

I'm very new to the hobby and read the discussion forums daily trying to pickup any knowledge I can. There are some great people on here that truly want to help others like P Browning. I hesitate to post questions because of those that prowl these boards ready to attack those who are trying to gain knowledge. Sad!

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P Browning

01-25-2008 16:45:28

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to B from Texas, 01-24-2008 13:15:31

B from Texas -- You are encouraged to post a question here anytime. Further, you are also encouraged to ignore the obvious blowhard. They reveal their obnoxious selves by the nature of the reponse. (PatB)

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David Snipes

01-25-2008 11:36:15

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to B from Texas, 01-24-2008 13:15:31

Hey B, ask any question you like and ignore any folks that snipe at you (pun intended). There is enough good information here to take a chance on getting a few rocks thrown at you.

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old timer in ohio

01-24-2008 12:45:14

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to 61-4010, 01-23-2008 16:35:58

Hey there;
I'll celebrate my 75th birthday Jan.29.
When I was about 10-12 yrs. old an old
gent told me,"the only stupid question is the one that isn't asked"!!!And "any-
one who thinks he is above someone else,
is showing he is beneath all"!!! Bob--(a nobody)
God Bless

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old timer in ohio

01-24-2008 12:43:36

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to 61-4010, 01-23-2008 16:35:58

Hey there;
I'll celebrate my 75th birthday Jan.29.
When I was about 10-12 yrs. old an old
gent told me,"the only stupid question is the one that isn't asked"!!!And any-
one who thinks he is above someone else,
is showing he is beneath all!!! Bob--(a nobody)
God Bless

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jubilee johnny

01-24-2008 11:44:41

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to 61-4010, 01-23-2008 16:35:58

Thanks for the post. I'm one of those who is still learning about how two cylindar's operate from the inside even though I have used them for many years. I am overhauling my first one right now, a 41 h and am so thankful for people's patience with me. I have gotten lots of good information from Pat on this particular tractor. In my family I have to take the torch and learn as some of the mechanics in my family have already passed on.

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greenmisterg

01-24-2008 10:20:25

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to 61-4010, 01-23-2008 16:35:58

Also its good to stop and remember....we are all human after all.. EVEN if we do like tractors!!
greenmisterg

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fixerupper

01-24-2008 06:41:26

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to 61-4010, 01-23-2008 16:35:58

Wonderful, well needed post! Before we snap at someone, we need to remind ourselves to 'be a gentleman'. Jim

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ME TOO

01-24-2008 04:14:42

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to 61-4010, 01-23-2008 16:35:58

I couldn't agree more. I am still new to restoring tractors and I am prone to ask a stupid question once in a while. I just decided to read books rather than be ridiculed on here for the questions I ask. I have also found that if you not a popular name on here your questions don't get answered.

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THE SMOOTHED DEERES

01-24-2008 11:53:35

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to ME TOO, 01-24-2008 04:14:42

Me Too ! Lol ,wow i wonder just how many folks like you and me that just up and leave this site because of the regulars that feilds the questions on this site .Freedom of speech around here is in danger and constantly defending your ideas is not ! They can even drive off the rare ones like G-Man and others that have a wealth of knowledge to provide to the public but there voices get snuffed out . It's a shame ,really is ...

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Handsome Jim

01-24-2008 12:38:53

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to THE SMOOTHED DEERES, 01-24-2008 11:53:35

Couldn't agree more. Is it me or has anyone else noticed that it's gotten a little 'preachy' around here?

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P Browning

01-24-2008 06:08:05

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to ME TOO, 01-24-2008 04:14:42

ME TOO -- Not being a popular name doesn't mean squat to me. If you have a question I believe I can help with, I will respond. And while my wisdom breaks down sometimes, I try not to let my keyboard get ahead of knowledge -- if you know what I mean. So please -- do come back and keep this thing going. (PatB)

Restoration Site, JD H

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Bob

01-23-2008 20:08:02

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Let's all have a group hug! in reply to 61-4010, 01-23-2008 16:35:58

Let's all have a group hug!

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Texasmark

01-24-2008 07:24:23

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Re: Let's all have a group hug! in reply to Bob, 01-23-2008 20:08:02

Ha Ha I had to laugh at that.

Mark

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dwag

01-23-2008 20:04:55

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to 61-4010, 01-23-2008 16:35:58

Thats got to be the dumbest thing I've ever read!

lol

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dwag

01-24-2008 08:53:20

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to dwag, 01-23-2008 20:04:55

My post was meant as a joke. I hope no one was offended. Note to self, don't post when drinking.

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Handsome Jim

01-24-2008 10:22:42

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to dwag, 01-24-2008 08:53:20

You have to be mighty careful in these parts, there are quite a few sensitive souls about.

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Rusty Wheel

01-23-2008 19:40:25

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to 61-4010, 01-23-2008 16:35:58

I agree wholeheartedly, but we have to remember the correct police are everywhere and they're not shy..... ..... ...RW

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4020LP

01-24-2008 13:42:25

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to Rusty Wheel, 01-23-2008 19:40:25

And why should they be shy? I'm always amused that it's never OK to have an opinion that someone else doesn't agree with. Somebody makes a statement that they are going to do whatever with their tractor, someone else responds stating that isn't the way it should be done, and the civil war breaks out, "because it's his tractor, and he can do anything he wants!!" That's true, but it works both ways---while he can do anything he wants, other people have the freedom to express their opinion about it, some just stating the way the tractor should be, and you'd think WW III just broke out. I can understand why a number of people have quit posting, just because they got tired of being jumped on while trying to help. God forbid on this site if you don't like tractor pulling, straight pipes, chrome stacks, etc, because if you don't, and have the gall to express those opinions, you're gonna get stomped on, just for expressing an opinion.

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Rusty Wheel

01-24-2008 19:56:26

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to 4020LP, 01-24-2008 13:42:25

Hey 4020LP Good evening to you. I'm not at war with anyone. You're right, nothing wrong with having an opinion. Nothing wrong with giving an opinion....if it's asked for. Your comment has me a little confused. Can't tell whether you like pulling or not, chrome stacks, straight pipes or not. Question, if someone changes a 6 volt positive ground to a 12 volt negative ground, is that ok or not? Not likely you could tell by looking but it's not factory. Just wondered what your opinion would be. By the way, does everyone on this forum consider you an expert or just you? RW

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4020LP

01-24-2008 20:30:16

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to Rusty Wheel, 01-24-2008 19:56:26

If anyone considers me an expert, then they are foolish, and I certainly don't consider myself one. As to your questions, I'm not going to answer them here, and I'm sure you know why.

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Tom 43

01-23-2008 19:34:57

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to 61-4010, 01-23-2008 16:35:58

What a refreshing post! Like yourself, I am addicted to all brands of tractors, trucks, combines, and cars. I would like to meet many of the forum in person as they seem like old friends even though I have never seen them.

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Hoss in Maine

01-23-2008 16:55:15

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Re: I have to vent..... in reply to 61-4010, 01-23-2008 16:35:58

I agree 100% Later Hoss

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