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JD 1530 Diesel Slow to Start when cold

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Ken Warren

12-10-2007 20:21:02




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I have a JD 1530 that is garage kept and stays above 55 degrees. When it has set overnight it takes alot of cranking to get it to start. Am I loosing fuel pressure or something ?


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Ken




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Texasmark

12-12-2007 06:40:22




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 Re: JD 1530 Diesel Slow to Start when cold in reply to Ken Warren, 12-10-2007 20:21:02  
I have proven that fast spinning of the engine, in reasonalby good condition, will result in starting in moderately cold climates.

I had a 4010 that I built a box adjacent to the starter attached to the tractor's frame. I put 2 size 31 950 CCA (OTR Truck batteries. Like a size 27 but has 3/8" studs rather than lead posts)in that box. While at the truck store I had them make me up some interconnect cables out of 00 wire (which they used on trucks with lotta batteries) and the maximum cable length was 18".

Guarantee you when I told that old girl to "hit it" she said yes sir and did it right now with no starting aids down to 25F. Didn't try it below it cause it didn't get that cold.

Have a 4230 that has a battery on either side of and forward of the cab. I got the same type batteries and more 00 cable and plumbed them in parallel, rather than series so that the batteries didn't have the resistance of the other battery in the circuit allowing for much more peak current. She lights off too just fine without ether whereas when I bought it liked to "sniff a tad of snuff" before she'd roll over.

Mark

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mdaitc

12-12-2007 06:00:22




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 Re: JD 1530 Diesel Slow to Start when cold in reply to Ken Warren, 12-10-2007 20:21:02  
so is it possible to tell if the rings are damaged without taking it apart?



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backwoodsfarm

12-11-2007 17:30:12




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 Re: JD 1530 Diesel Slow to Start when cold in reply to Ken Warren, 12-10-2007 20:21:02  
I think jdemaris hit the nail on the head. I live in the now very WHITE northeast. I've started my 1530 several times in the last week to make room for hay customers to pull into the barn. With temps around 15F it cranks a few more times than normal, but starts right up and runs as good as always. A friend of mine has three 30 series JD's and one 40 series. Two of the 30 series start great, the other 30 and the 40 he parks for the winter because they just won't start. All tractors are well taken care of and shedded, no ether. I suppose a block heater may help if you needed it, but I have never even used mine.

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buickanddeere

12-12-2007 16:46:52




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 Re: JD 1530 Diesel Slow to Start when cold in reply to backwoodsfarm, 12-11-2007 17:30:12  
In cool to cold weather, even if the engine will start without it. A coolant and oil heater heater should be used anyways. Less lectrical system wear and tear on batteries, starter and alternator. Surer starts too. Less engine wear from raw fuel washdown from extended cranking. And warm engine wear less than cold engines. Warm oil will make oil pressure before cold oil.



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jdemaris

12-11-2007 06:43:16




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 Re: JD 1530 Diesel Slow to Start when cold in reply to Ken Warren, 12-10-2007 20:21:02  
Since you've posted the same question in two forums, here's a copy of my reply I posted in Tractor Talk.

Cold starting was a major issue with 30 and 40 series Deere tractors. Many were poor starters at 50 degrees F when new. Others would start at 20 degrees F. We had many upset customers - especially when trading in a 1960s 4020 that always started well at 20 degrees F, and then taking home a new 2940 that would barely start at 60 degrees F.
There's a lot to it - and I don't want to write a book on the subject (and I almost could).

You didn't mention if this is a new problem, or the tractor has never started well since you've owned it.

First - it must crank fast. Most starting problems with Deere diesels are caused by the hydraulic system putting too much a load on the starter motor. If in question - install a $10 manual pump-detroker. Often, it makes a night-and-day difference in cold starting.

As to actual engine problems? A poor valve job with valve-heads ground too deep into the head, static injection timing too retarded, piston height above block too low, valve lash excessive, cranking fuel delivery too low in the injection pump, etc. all can cause poor cold starting.

Also, a more major defect that is common - it the top piston rings shattered to pieces. Often a Deere that does not cold-start well, gets made much worse with ether starting. Especially if the intake-manifold ether orifice is bypassed and ether is simply sprayed into the air-intake. Once the top rings break , you've got an engine that can barely start at 70 degrees unless ether is used - but once warmed up runs pretty good.

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leon

12-11-2007 05:00:26




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 Re: JD 1530 Diesel Slow to Start when cold in reply to Ken Warren, 12-10-2007 20:21:02  
Be sure that you have a good battery and battery cables big enough that the engine spins over good speed when cranking. 100+ rpm desired.



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MSM

12-10-2007 21:10:25




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 Re: JD 1530 Diesel Slow to Start when cold in reply to Ken Warren, 12-10-2007 20:21:02  
If you are getting white smoke out of the exhaust when you are cranking it,then it isn't a fuel problem.If the engine is spinning over quickly with smoke out the exhaust then you have a compression problem.If the tractor has ever been improperly ethered,there is a good possibility the top rings are broken. Also if it starts ok when it is 70+ out, but not at 50 you have compression problems.
With new liners and pistons,a properly rebuilt head, that tractor should start well down into the 30's unassisted

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Ken Warren

12-16-2007 18:24:03




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 Re: JD 1530 Diesel Slow to Start when cold in reply to MSM, 12-10-2007 21:10:25  
New liners, pistons and a rebuilt head. How much would something like this cost ? Is this an extremely difficult task ?



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