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kendak

11-17-2007 04:17:34




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will I have to change flywheel ring gear when I swap 820 from pony motor over to ES...parts book shows different part #'s...thanks...Kent




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johndear

11-19-2007 20:31:57




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 Re: starting motor in reply to kendak, 11-17-2007 04:17:34  
Uh oh, I pull my 80 also and they are kinda rare compared to the 820/830 and electric start to boot! I am in serious trouble aren't I? :) Although, no permanent damage has been done, no animals hurt, or anything else too fouled to fix has been done during the making of this pull tractor.



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johndear

11-17-2007 08:24:29




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 Re: starting motor in reply to kendak, 11-17-2007 04:17:34  
The "correct police" will tear you up for doing that!! They gave me trouble for converting my 80. My pony motor was shot. Looked like it had be started using sand for oil. Needs 4 sleeves, piston, and rods. Cheaper to buy a new tractor. So, I picked up a used 3 bolt starter from a 855 Cummins (290, 300, 325HP, etc) for basically nothing, put a new solenoid on it for less than $50, it had the correct pinion to mate the flywheel, made the bracket from the scrap pile out of 1/2" material, and put one 12V group 33 battery under the seat. I think that is a 30T starter. Wouldn't swear to it. Stop by your local semi / medium duty repair shop and plunder. They will also fit the stock 820/830 bracket but were made for 900 + cubic inch motors so they spin the JD with full compression with no problem. It has a $50 one wire GM alternator. It will start in 40 degree weather with one battery. The motor is certainly not that worn out either as starting in "cool" weather pretty much proves it is in decent shape. Sure, it won't start when it is 20 degrees outside. I can't think of a good reason to use it in that temp anyway. There is room under the hood for a second battery just above the injector pump cover. I have considered sticking a second battery there with a heat shield between it and the exhaust to eliminate having to help the starter with the compression release when the motor is cold. The tractor is a joy to operate now. While the rest of the "correct" folks are trying to get their pony started and up to speed I am driving away with a mear 5 second push of a button. Yes, for all the correct police I have the complete pony motor all greased up, in a big plastic container, and on a shelf in the shop just in case I win the lottery and decide to fix it for old times sake, or God forbid, sell the tractor. I didn't have a fuel guage so needing 6 volts wasn't a problem. I haven't priced one of those large 6 volt "regulators" in a long time like was made to run old radios, dash lights, and so on. Considering the limited current needed to run a fuel guage about $10 worth of radio shack parts and a few minutes with the soldering gun will give you a 6 volt regulator to handle the fuel guage. If your generator needs attention anyway the price to rebuilt it verses going 12V will be the same. If you have your heart set on a generator, Power Master sells a 12V alternator in an old Delco generator case so it still looks correct. Anything else is just a matter of changing out bulbs that probably need to be changed out anyway.

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kendak

11-17-2007 16:20:51




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 Re: starting motor in reply to johndear, 11-17-2007 08:24:29  
Thanks for the info...I don't give a hoot about the correct police ...the pony motor is a pain & it does't get below freezing down here but about twice a year...my brother runs a machine shop so bracket is no problem...was thinking about using gear reduction starter that is used on new series Deere's...have already priced one for bored & stroked unstyled "A"...runs about $250 & one wire alt. & welding cable for juice...less than $400 invested in a much better system....by the way to the others pony motor runs like new & will be for sale & it is a pulling tractor ...thanks Kent

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buickanddeere

11-17-2007 07:22:47




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 Re: starting motor in reply to kendak, 11-17-2007 04:17:34  
Are you aware that swapping a starting engine for electric start is just trading one set of problems for another? Have you priced the entire job to change the wiring, fuel gauge conversion from 6V, generator swap , dash change, larger battery box, starter mounting plate,crankcase ventilation conversion, $$$ for a Delco 42MT starter, etc? Cold weather starting capability is gone with electric too. Tractor resale value takes a dip as well.

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4020LP

11-17-2007 12:23:29




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 Re: starting motor in reply to buickanddeere, 11-17-2007 07:22:47  
Doesn't really matter, from other posts that have been made, it appears that this 820 is going to be made into a puller, anyway.



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kendak

11-17-2007 16:43:16




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 Re: starting motor in reply to 4020LP, 11-17-2007 12:23:29  
none of your business what I do with my tractors Mr.4020 ..for your info I also have restored a correct 730 & 530 & 37 unstyled "A"..& all they do is sit under the barn ..the pulling tractors [ WD-45 & 820 & 720 LP] get to be used 15 or 20 times a year...you need to lighten up man!!..have nice day ...Kent



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kendak

11-17-2007 16:34:12




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 Re: starting motor in reply to 4020LP, 11-17-2007 12:23:29  
none of your business what I do with my tractors Mr.4020 ..for your info I also have restored a correct 730 & 530 & 37 unstyled "A"..& all they do is sit under the barn ..the pulling tractors [ WD-45 & 820 & 720 LP] get to be used 15 or 20 times a year...you need to lighten up man!!..have nice day ...Kent



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4020LP

11-18-2007 07:19:01




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 Re: starting motor in reply to kendak, 11-17-2007 16:34:12  
You're absolutely correct, it's your tractor and you can do what you like with it, it's a free country. On the other hand, it being a free country, people have the freedom to express an opinion about it, too. I didn't say anything derogatory about your tractor, other than it appeared you were going to make it into a puller. So, feeling a little guilty, maybe?



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P Browning

11-18-2007 09:07:16




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 Re: starting motor in reply to 4020LP, 11-18-2007 07:19:01  
4020LP -- people also have a will, the power to decide things -- to choose what they do and what they don't do. The post you made that irritated him in the first place would have better been left not posted. The point is -- not whether you YOU are free to express, but whether or not the post causes personal hurt. This is a board of helps, not one where we strike out at another -- even though (in our mind) it is justified.

Now, if you just want to sound off about pullers, go for it I guess -- but please try to keep relationships out of it. Getting off-topic and personal is what gets us in trouble. Oh, I know it is tempting to say, and hard to keep quiet sometimes, but it works! And so now it is I who is in hope I am always successful in applying this sentiment. Even making this post hurts. I do ask that you understand. Have a great day. (PatB)

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kendak

11-19-2007 07:01:02




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 Re: starting motor in reply to P Browning, 11-18-2007 09:07:16  
Thanks Mr. Pat ; I didn't need to respond to 4020 it just seems like he doesn't like pullers ..everyone has a different way of looking at old tractors...I was a farmer for many years & in the 60's my Dad had lots of 2 cyl. so to me they are tools to work with...I like to look at restored tractors but its not what I do....have a nice day ...Kent



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4020LP

11-18-2007 09:55:11




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 Re: starting motor in reply to P Browning, 11-18-2007 09:07:16  
Explain to me how anything I said caused kendak personal hurt. All I said was that it appears that he was going to make an 820 into a pulling tractor. I didn't make a derogatory statement about him, his tractor, or tractor pulling in general. If we've gotten so politically correct that an opinion can't be expressed without someone having a cow over it, then it's a sad day indeed.



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buickanddeere

11-18-2007 03:07:54




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 Re: starting motor in reply to kendak, 11-17-2007 16:34:12  
Just trying to tell some budget minded tinkerers they are not saving the fortune they thought they were. By the time they keep track of the direct & indirect costs of the starting engine to electric conversion. The savings are less than they imagined and the tractor is de-valued. There are a pile of parts to acquire and change out to perform a complete conversion. Starting engines run just fine if given a little regular maintenance. Its the ignored, "farmer fixed" or tinkered types that have trouble. Most only require cleaning the fuel system/carb kit, a set of spring clip coils/matching spring clip ignition wires, new 437 plugs, an oil change, maybe a water pump seal and setting up the clutch/brake. Pistons & sleeve prices are not a factor as few really need more than a hone/rings and a gasket/seal set. Even a set of new rods isn't that bad. Figure the price difference of a couple of 12V 900CCA batteries vs. a single 6V battery over the next 20-30 years

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kendak

11-18-2007 04:08:09




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 Re: starting motor in reply to buickanddeere, 11-18-2007 03:07:54  
Thanks for the help buickanddeere...Kent



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