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Ken

10-31-2003 12:20:15




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for some reason my 1955 40 keeps fouling the plugs, put new plugs in ran good for 10 minutes and starts to sputter...it does use a little oil i can smell it burning oil as i use it but its really not that bad...when i removed the plugs they are very black and little bit of oil on them...is it time for new rings????




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Jordan

11-01-2003 16:28:58




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 Re: 40T plugs foul in reply to Ken, 10-31-2003 12:20:15  
My grandpa has a 1950 Ford 8N tractor that needs rings BAD. It used to foul s/plugs, he got tired of it and put "oil Burners" in it. That was over a year ago and it hasn`t fouled a plug yet. You might want to look into some "oil burners" if you can live with it burning oil.



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bill brenneke

11-01-2003 17:35:37




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 Re: Re: 40T plugs foul in reply to Jordan, 11-01-2003 16:28:58  
my little m had mud dobbers in breather causing oil to be sucked up and fouling plugs clean them out and have not had a fouled plug since



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Clooney

10-31-2003 19:17:55




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 Re: 40T plugs foul in reply to Ken, 10-31-2003 12:20:15  
Ken, that is fairly common problem on the Dubuque tractors.

~A lean carb adjustment will help some but if that tractor is burning oil probably won't solve your problem.

~While there's no doubt that new rings will probably help [it will probably involve much more than just rings though] there are things you can do to improve your plug fouling problem... ~If your oil burning problem isn't so bad that you can live with the smoke & oil consumption you can probably get the plugs to quit fouling with a little work... You could run a compression test but that will only show a compression loss & won't tell you the condition of the oil control rings.

~~~~Things you can try to stop the plug fouling..... ....

*install hotter spark plugs [try some H-14 if you can find them], that will really help the plug fouling problem.

*try 2 gaskets under the spark plugs. [that raises the plug heat range slightly]

*MAKE SURE you are using solid metal core plug wires [automotive carbon core TVRS plug wires are the kiss of death on those Dubuque tractors]

*switch to a straight 40 weight engine oil [multi-weight oils add to an oil burning problem]

*if none of the above helps install a new [old] condenser [the original old stock condensers really help the plug fouling problem]

*next trim about .015-.020" from the distributor's spark rotor's side contact end [that will FORCE the spark to build to a higher KV before it jumps the rotor, then the plug gap.. In many cases that will totally eliminate plug fouling]

*check the air cleaner inner wire mesh for being plugged [common problem & that alone can cause a problem like yours]

*if you have a volt meter place it on the coil's ign switch side terminal & monitor the coil's operating voltage [it should be close to battery voltage, those Dubuque tractors are noted for high resistance in the factory ignition switch that can substantially lower the coil's supply voltage & that reduces the spark enough to allow plug fouling.

*you might do a spark test..to do that take an old [know good] spark plug & open the plug gap to 3/16" [use a 3/16" drill bit to set the gap], then place that plug in each plug wire & lay on the block then crank the engine.. [you need to see a bluish spark jump that gap multiple times in a row, if it's yellow or intermittent you have ignition problems].

~There is much more you can do but start with the above & see if you can get a handle on your problem.

~Any questions just post back or E-Mail..

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John T

10-31-2003 15:52:29




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 Re: 40T plugs foul in reply to Ken, 10-31-2003 12:20:15  
Good Evening Ken, Well, I cant say whether its time for new rings or not, lets not give up or assume such a drastic measure just yet from your brief description however. If new plugs are fouling that quickly, it could just be a carburetion or an ignition problem, as it takes a while for excess oil to foul the plugs and it has to be in fairly bad shape (rings, valves, cylinders etc) to foul them that darn fast. That black on the plugs sounds like youre runnign too rich (see below) though or the spark may be weak (see below).

Heres a few thigns I would look at first (carb and ignition checks), and if they are all good then look at the compression and we will go from there.

1) That black color you mention on the plugs could mean youre runnign way over rich which can gas foul them fairly quick. Is it a flat black colored even sooty deposit????? ? That can be excess unburned fuel. Is it more of a shiny wet black uneven coat, that may be oil. If she dont blow a lot of blue smoke out the stack and have a lot of crankcase blow by, however, Im thinking more excess unburned fuel for the time being.

(I) FUEL RELATED CAUSES OF EXCESS UNBURNED FUEL FOULING PLUGS

a) Is the choke butterfly plate in the carb opening all the way and remaining open once youre up n running?????

b) Is the air inlet pipe and air cleaner and its bowl clean and water free????

c) Is the carb set too rich and does she black smoke a lot at idle or under load which indicates excess unburned fuel??? Have you tried to run the carb a tad leaner and see what she does and how the plugs look???

EXCESS BLACK SMOKE OUT THE STACK FROM UNBURNED FUEL (caused by a or b or c above) quicky fouls plugs leavign that even flat black sooty deposit!!!!! !!!


(II) IGNITION RELATED CAUSES OF INADEQUATE FUEL COMBUSTION

d) If you remove the plugs and have their wires atatched and them against frame ground and crank the engine, do both fresh new plugs produce a good visible blue and NOT a faint thin wimpy yellow spark??? If the spark is weak you dont get as good combustion.

e) If the spark is weak, look at the points and first insure they are gapped correct and NOT burned or pitted or carboned up or heavy gray oxide coated. If so, replace them and try a heat range hotter plug. Some run an extra plug washer to make them run hotter which can help burn off deposits.

f) Is the cap clean and free of cracks or carbon tracks???

g) Are the wires good, no leaks, and wire core NOT carbon core auto suppressor types???

h) If you remove the coil wire from the cap and have it to within 1/8 from frame and crank her over, does it yield a good visible blue and NOT a faint thin wimpy yellow spark??? If she sparks good there but NOT at the plugs per the test above, you may have a plug or plug wire or cap or rotor problem.

SUMMARY

The plugs and exhaust are a good indicator of whats happening. A lot of black smoke may mean restricted air from a partly closed choke or a clogged air pipe or filter or carb set too rich or even float level a bit high. Again, the flat black even sooty deposit is more a sign of a fuel or weak spark problem than an oil burner. Heavy blue exhaust and a lot of crankcase blow by is more a sign of a ring or valve or cylinder problem and that plus low compression readings leaving a wet uneven shiny plug coat will foul them but not usually in only a few minutes.

Look at the spark quality and plugs and points and cap n rotor and wires and check the air system and filter and choke. Try the cheap simple easy thigns first like air inlet and choke checks and points and wires BUT THE EXHAUST AND PLUG DEPOSITS IS A GOOD INDICATOR OF THE PROBLEM.

Check the compression dry after shes sat a good while and then with oil in the cylinders for a wet test and if very low or uneven between sides that can eventually cause oil fouling.

First thing suspect if the plugs are good and the chokes opening and no air restriction and the carbs not set over rich ARE SHE NEEDS NEW POINTS OR GAPPED, check that right off.

Post back or e mail [email protected] with any more questions.

Good Luck n God Bless

John T Nordhoff

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Henry J

10-31-2003 15:16:06




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 Re: 40T plugs foul in reply to Ken, 10-31-2003 12:20:15  
Ken

The Dubuque will foul the plugs in a minute given the chance. I would look at leaning it out first. It would be nice if you had something to hook it up to and make her get down and lug. I cured my plug fowling problem by leaning it out about 1/16 of a turn on the main jet while working it. I leaned it down until it began starving out under load and then richened it up in the same increments just until you could lug it down and it would hang in there. My particular setting is so lean that the tractor will not pull with the choke in until the engine gets up to normal operating temp.

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420TEE

10-31-2003 12:50:26




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 Re: 40T plugs foul in reply to Ken, 10-31-2003 12:20:15  
Methinks thou hast opened a can of worms. You will hear many, many suggestions as to make and model of plugs to use. I find Autolite 216's work pretty well in my 420T.



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