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John Deere not sleeving engines

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Arf

09-06-2007 10:31:35




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Why in the world would John Deere with its good reputation stop sleeving the majority of its engines? I know todays engines are supposed to last much longer but it takes away the ability for the common person to do an overhaul. To me if they wanted to save some costs this would be the last place to do it.




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buickanddeere

09-06-2007 20:42:10




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 Re: John Deere not sleeving engines in reply to Arf, 09-06-2007 10:31:35  
The percent of modern diesel engines that truly get worn out and require sleeve replacement? Such engines a very small minority. Most engines being re-sleeved are because of neglected coolant, air filtration problems or running the engine out of oil. It's cheaper to purchase a new long block than properly rebuilding a beat up long block.



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Bill(Wis)

09-06-2007 16:44:04




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 Re: John Deere not sleeving engines in reply to Arf, 09-06-2007 10:31:35  
Arf: Get on the John Deere website and check for yourself whether the engine you're interested in has sleeves. As for the serious farm tractor engines, they all have sleeves. That's the 3/179 (2.9L), the 4/276 (4.5L), and the 6/414 (6.8L)including the ones they put in the cut-rate Mexican built 6403 and 6603. In fact, JD is one of the few mfg to use wet sleeves.



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freddy

09-06-2007 13:45:06




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 Re: John Deere not sleeving engines in reply to Arf, 09-06-2007 10:31:35  
John deere is competing in a very tough market with the 2.4 and 3.0 liter engines. One of the ways to get the cost and weight down was to make a parent block engine. These engines were also to be very compact. Power to weight ratio is very important from gen sets to concrete cutters. I for one thought this engine group was a good idea althought they have had quality issues with them. I say that would of not been a problem if they were made in Iowa instead of Mexico. You get what you pay for!

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Arf

09-06-2007 11:31:11




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 Re: John Deere not sleeving engines in reply to Arf, 09-06-2007 10:31:35  
I have heard from several sources that in the last few years JD has phased out sleeving engines with exception of the 10 liter and larger



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wilamayb

09-06-2007 16:10:03




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 Re: John Deere not sleeving engines in reply to Arf, 09-06-2007 11:31:11  
Arf, Deere does not make a 10.0 liter at this time, so whom ever was supplying information to you must have been a little foggy in the memory.



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105EB

09-06-2007 12:14:25




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 Re: John Deere not sleeving engines in reply to Arf, 09-06-2007 11:31:11  
Well, some of the smaller engines used in the compact utility tractors may have parent-bore engines, I didn't waste a lot of time looking. All JD engines 2.9 liters and larger are still wet-sleeve engines. Go to the JD website and have a look for yourself, instead of listening to "sources".



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wilamayb

09-06-2007 16:13:01




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 Re: John Deere not sleeving engines in reply to 105EB, 09-06-2007 12:14:25  
105EB,

I believe the smallest engine to recieve wet sleevs is the 4045 or 4.5 liter used in many ag tractors and the 210,310,410 backhoes. The reason may be that it is the same engine as a 6068 minus two cylinders.



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105EB

09-06-2007 17:33:30




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 Re: John Deere not sleeving engines in reply to wilamayb, 09-06-2007 16:13:01  
The tried and true 2.9 3-cylinder is still a wet-sleeve engine. I didn't bother to check below that, or what I considered to be consumer product engines. The descendants of the "300" Series (2.9, 4.5, and 6.8 liter) and all larger engines have wet sleeves, I know for sure.



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720 in pa

09-06-2007 14:36:27




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 Re: John Deere not sleeving engines in reply to 105EB, 09-06-2007 12:14:25  
how about the 85 hp engine in a 332 skid steer loader?



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wilamayb

09-06-2007 16:07:40




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 Re: John Deere not sleeving engines in reply to 720 in pa, 09-06-2007 14:36:27  
720 in PA.

All of the engines originally named the "Delta" series are cast iron bore or non-sleeved. That includes all skid steers,4000, and the 5000 series tractors up to the 5325.



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freddy

09-06-2007 16:18:56




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 Re: John Deere not sleeving engines in reply to wilamayb, 09-06-2007 16:07:40  
The 5300 I worked on today has the 2.9L engine with wet sleeves in it and has the same pistons and rods as the 5.9L and 3.9L. The 4.5L and 6.8L is a derivative with a longer stroke.



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wilamayb

09-06-2007 16:41:50




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 Re: John Deere not sleeving engines in reply to freddy, 09-06-2007 16:18:56  
Sorry Freddy... I didnt clarify. I was speaking of new tractors being built at the present time, however some of the new tractors are being built now with old parts such as the 5003 and 5005 tractors that use the old tried and true three cylinder. I forgot about the use of these older engines.



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freddy

09-06-2007 20:31:19




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 Re: John Deere not sleeving engines in reply to wilamayb, 09-06-2007 16:41:50  
Thats ok. I wasn't trying to be rude. Just a small correction.



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105EB

09-06-2007 11:27:23




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 Re: John Deere not sleeving engines in reply to Arf, 09-06-2007 10:31:35  
What are you talking about? The two-cylinder engines were never sleeved, and all tractor engines since the New Generation have been wet-sleeve engines.



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Bob

09-06-2007 11:07:56




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 Re: John Deere not sleeving engines in reply to Arf, 09-06-2007 10:31:35  
Back "in the day", dealers had exchange blocks, bored, and ready to go, so the machine didn't have to be "laid up" while the block was sent out to be bored.



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buickanddeere

09-07-2007 19:39:05




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 Re: John Deere not sleeving engines in reply to Bob, 09-06-2007 11:07:56  
The TSC Power-Bloc's were wet sleeved.



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