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1963 JD 1010 Won't Turnover

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DanK-WI

08-28-2007 06:28:00




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Hi;
I have a '63 1010 that won't turnover. I had the starter tested, resulting in having the brushes replaced and a new solonoid. It still does nothing. The solonoid does not click. It is a positive ground system. The battery is fully charged. There are three wires involved here. A large, medium, and small diameter. The large one comes from the battery and attaches to the large post on the solonoid. The medium wire connects at the large solonoid post also. I'm not sure about the small wire. There are two small posts on the solonoid. One labeled with an "R" and one labeled with an "8". The starter rebuilder told me to attach the small wire to the small post labeled with an "R". the other small post labeled with the number "8" has nothing connected to it. Is this correct? I used a circuit test light and I do have power at the large post and the post labeled with an "R". I remember in my younger days starting my car with a screwdriver by "shorting" the starter. I would like to try this to see if maybe the key switch is bad. I'm thinking that if it will turnover with the screwdriver trick and not with the key, then the key switch is bad. How would I go about starting it by crossing posts on the solonoid? which posts do I cross? I would really appreciate any and all help you can give to me. I really need to get my tractor started.
Thanks.
Dan

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DanK-WI

08-28-2007 11:55:22




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 Re: 1963 JD 1010 Won't Turnover in reply to DanK-WI, 08-28-2007 06:28:00  
Bob;
Thank you very much for your help. I will move the small wire to the "S" terminal and let you know what happens.
Dan



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Bob

08-28-2007 08:03:23




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 It's NOT an *8, it's and S, fore Pete's sake! in reply to DanK-WI, 08-28-2007 06:28:00  
That terminal is NOT marked "8", it's marked "S", for "START", and it AIN'T GONNA start with nothing connected to the "S" terminal, 'cause that's what operates the solenoid!

The "R" stands for "RESISTOR", as that terminal provides battery voltage, while CRANKING, to bypass the ignition ballast resistor on gas engines so equipped for better spark while the battery voltage is being pulled down by the load the starter places on the battery.

The "R" terminal is NOT used on diesel "apps", and even if your's is a "gasser", there may be no wire to connect to it.

BE CAREFUL not to run yourself over when the starter DOES "catch"! Be SURE it's in "PARK"!

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DanK-WI

08-29-2007 05:49:06




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 Re: It's NOT an *8, it's and S, fore Pete's sake! in reply to Bob, 08-28-2007 08:03:23  
Bob;
You are correct, it IS an "S". I connected the small diameter wire to the "S" terminal, and still nothing. Not a click, not nothin. Now what do I do? I think I need to prove that the starter works. It has not made one revolution since I got it back from the rebuilders. How would I connect wires to it either on the tractor or off the tractor to just see if the solonoid works and the starter will turn. I think I should leave the large wire from the battery connected to the large post on the solonoid. Attach nothing to the "R" post because you said it was useless. Then that only leaves the "S" terminal. I would think I need to attach a wire to the "S" terminal and momentarilly touch it to something. Do I touch it to the tractor and ground it? Will that conplete the circut to energize the solonoid? Please help. Thanks.
Dan

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Mike M

08-29-2007 07:22:40




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 Re: It's NOT an *8, it's and S, fore Pete's sake! in reply to DanK-WI, 08-29-2007 05:49:06  
Touch from the large post to the S post and it should kick in and go. Double and triple check it is in neutral/park first !

You will need to have the starter case grounded and the other battery cable hooked up to the large starter post of course. You can test them in a vise on the bench if it is off the tractor.



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