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tedsxb

08-14-2007 13:27:39




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SInce im gonna be changing the oil on my 4020 soon, i figured i try something different. It always burns oil, and im not expecting anything to be magically changed, but are there any additives i should try? Whats a good weight oil? It gets run everyday for about 8 hours a day, so she gets a good workout and gets pretty hot (not abnormal though). Also, I still am able to get the high sulfur diesel, but im sure the next fill of my big tank will be ULSD. ive heard of people putting oil in the diesel to lube the IP, should i do this? Thanks in advance.

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tedsxb

08-19-2007 15:10:51




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 Re: 4020 oil suggestions in reply to tedsxb, 08-14-2007 13:27:39  
I just reread my original post and realized i had a brain fart. I meant to say it uses a quart every 2 DAYS, NOT WEEKS! I use currently a 15w40 synthetic blend, so maybe ill get the 15w40 +50 oil./ Its a 6 cyl diesel. I also cleaned out the oil bath cleaner, and it was really dirty. Its running much better since i cleaned it, so maybe my oil use will go down a bit.



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tedsxb

08-15-2007 18:55:16




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 Re: 4020 oil suggestions in reply to tedsxb, 08-14-2007 13:27:39  
As to how much it burns oil, I add about a quart every 2 weeks, thats with operating 8 hrs/day, 7 days/week. She always puffs blue smoke especially if shes been idling for a bit. I find it keeps the flies away though!! third party image Ive been using off brand 15w40, so ill try the JD oil. I wnt to keep her running good!

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rexhellwig

08-15-2007 20:25:23




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 Re: 4020 oil suggestions in reply to tedsxb, 08-15-2007 18:55:16  
Your old 4020 might be in better shape than you think it is. Hope I'm not giving away any proprietary info, but here is Deere's opinion on the subject: {Scroll down to the bold type}


Solution Number: 23379
Solution Summary: SIB 93-04-30-04 Engine Oil And Consumption Guidelines / All Tractors
Publication Date: Jul 15 2003 **Paper copies of solutions may not be the most current solutions** Also reference DTAC solution 23808. Old SIB-R80-220-1 is replaced by SIB-93-04-30-04. Complaint: Not certain of the recommended engine oils to be used during the different stages of engine life. Oil consumption is excessive. Problem: The use of John Deere Torq-Gard Supreme Plus-50 engine oil during the first 100 hours on a new or overhauled engine will not allow the engine to “break-in” properly. Guidelines were not available for determining the rate of oil consumption. Solution: Type of engine oil that should be used: New engines (less than 100 hours), are filled with a specially formulated SAE 10W-30 break-in oil with the following features: * Provides a controlled "chemical break-in" of parts affecting oil consumption and blow by. It also provides scuff and wear protection for highly loaded surfaces. * Provides for cold weather flow to -25 deg. C (-13 deg F) and hot weather protection to ambient conditions of 40 deg. C (104 deg. F). * Minimizes piston deposits during break-in. * During the break-in period, recommended make-up oils are listed in order of preference: 1. John Deere break-in oil (Feb. 94 availability) 2. Torq-Gard supreme SAE 5w-30 3. Plus-4 SAE 10w-30 4. SAE 10w-30 API SG/CD oil Important: Do not use Torq-Gard supreme plus-50 during engine break-in. The superior lubricating properties of this oil will not allow the engine to break-in properly. The recommended oil drain interval is 100 hours. This 100 hours of engine operation should be at different engine speeds (not constant full throttle usage) with normal engine loads. Engines may require a longer break-in period when run at constant speed and/or light load usage. In these situations, an additional 100-hour break-in period is recommended using a new change of John Deere 10w-30 break-in oil. Rebuilt engines require the same break-in procedures as listed above for new engines. Mature engines: When changing to a premium oil such as Torq-Gard Supreme Plus-50, little oil consumption change is expected although a small percentage of engines may experience a noticeable change in consumption rates. This may be due to the following factors: * The previous oil may have left deposits on internal components. Use of the plus-50 oil will cause different chemical reactions in those deposits. The time required for the engine to regain the previous oil consumption rate will vary from one to three normal drain intervals. * Torq-Gard Supreme Plus-50 contains a high performance anti-oxidant along with other additives resulting in the oil remaining in the specified viscosity grade throughout the recommended drain interval. * API oil grades CD, CE, and CF-4 universal engine oils do not provide this oxidation resistance, which results in more rapid thickening. Increased oil viscosity can reduce oil consumption. The above information on mature engines applies to Plus-50 oil, however engines using other premium oils have experienced similar results. Engine oil consumption guidelines: (See SIB for chart) * All engines do consume some oil. The consumption rate depends on loading, design of key parts, and engine condition. Since fuel consumption is an indicator of operating power levels, fuel used versus oil consumed is a critical factor in analyzing oil consumption complaints. Shown below is a chart to determine fuel to oil rates. * To use the chart, accurately measure the oil and fuel consumed for a minimum of 500 gallons fuel. Locate the fuel used on the horizontal scale and the oil used on the vertical scale. For example, if the engine uses 1500 gallons of fuel and 6 quarts of oil, the consumption ratio is 1000:1 and is well within expectations. A second example is 500 gallons of fuel and 4 quarts of oil. This ratio is between 400:1 and 600:1. The customer should continue to monitor fuel versus oil usage. * Long term oil consumption (3 oil drain intervals minimum after the engine is broken in) with consumption rates poorer than 400:1(100 gallons of fuel and 1 quart of oil) indicates a need to monitor/investigate. Suggested steps would be: 1. Check for signs of ingested dust or perform an oilscan test to check for silicon. 2. Check for proper crankcase oil fill level. 3. Perform compression test to find low compression cylinders. 4. Inspect pistons for carbon deposits in the ring land grooves. Note: ring gap alignment does not prove the leak source. 5. Measure valve stem OD and valve guide ID to determine clearance. Note: intake valves do not have the valve stem seal and some oil deposits on the valve stem tulip are normal. Problem: Complaints of excessive engine oil consumption have resulted in needless repair. Solution: First, determine whether oil consumption is normal or excessive per "guide for oil consumption". If an engine uses oil up to the following amounts, it can be considered in normal oil control. Diesel engines (naturally aspirated or turbocharged) average of one gallon (3.79l) of engine oil to each 200 gallons (757l) of fuel consumed or one quart (0.95l) of oil to each 50 gallons (190l) fuel over a 100-hour oil change period. Although oil usage over the above amounts would be considered above normal, we do not recommend overhauling an engine until the above rates are exceeded by 25 percent. The overhaul point would be: Diesel engine average of one gallon (3.79l) oil to 150 gallons (568l) fuel or one quart (0.95l) to 37.5 gallons (142l). Also, make sure the oil is being consumed and not lost through leakage and that the oil is being changed as specified. If oil changes are stretched past the recommended change periods, oil consumption will increase due to oil breakdown. Should an engine's oil consumption exceed the guidelines, use the following checklist to determine problem.
*Preliminary check: 1. Engine oil grade and viscosity 2. Engine oil change intervals engine 3. Oil level accuracy *Visually inspect for leaks: 1. Oil pan gasket 2. Front crankshaft seal 3. Cylinder head and cylinder block (pipe plugs, cracks, etc.) 4. Rocker arm cover gasket 5. Vent tube carryover caused by: a. Defective baffle in a rocker arm cover (ref: sib r79-20-4) b. Excessive engine oil pressure. c. Restricted vent tube 6. Turbocharger leaks caused by: a. Turbocharger lube oil return line restriction b. Defective seals allowing oil into exhaust or intake ports of turbocharger c. Restricted air intake system If cause of oil consumption cannot be determined by preliminary and visual inspection, engine disassembly is necessary. Check the following upon disassembly: 1. Worn valve rotators or valve seals 2. Worn valve guides or valve stems 3. Broken or worn rings 4. Worn pistons and liners 5. Rear crankshaft seal 6. Dowel pin hole in crankshaft 7. Welch plugs and pipe plugs on rear of block. 2850, 3055, 9300, 4040L, 3140, 2855, 4240L, 8310, 4040, 8960, 6210L, 6100, 2140, 1120, 5320, 4755, 6405, 1950, 8220, 1640, 4455, 8560, 9620T, 510, 6400, 2150, 4240, 920, 9100, 9300T, 2640, 3050, 3350, 2155, 3030, 6605, 4630, 7200, 6220L, 8420T, 2350, 5520N, 7520, 8450, 6220, 7710, 7400, 6030, 9420, 3640, 6400L, 5205, 7600, 4450, 6120, 2650, 9120, 6800, 6410, 8410, 6500L, 2510, 6110L, 5420N, 1630, 9220, 8970, 6510L, 5310N, 2450, 6500, 2630, 5420, 5010, 3010, 2020, 8430, 9200, 8850, 8520, 8440, 4650, 9400T, 7320, 8210T, 2555, 6310L, 2355, 940, 7405, 8220T, 5510, 840, 7410, 5105, 2550, 9320, 6600, 9520, 8300T, 2940, 4430, 8120, 2840, 5300, 1030, 8320T, 9420T, 4030, 2030, 9320T, 3040, 2040, 4240S, 1010, 1040, 8520T, 4255, 4955, 4760, 1350, 5410, 6300L, 3150, 4640, 8770, 5200, 1140, 8210, 1130, 930, 6210, 7220, 3155, 1650, 2250, 5400, 6110, 4620, 8400T, 3130, 4250, 3650, 8110, 8010, 8200T, 3255, 5220, 4230, 8200, 2130, 1850, 4040S, 7210, 5520, 4960, 6310S, 5210, 4850, 8760, 2010, 8310T, 4840, 820, 8100, 2750, 8400, 7800, 9620, 5400N, 1020, 2240, 8570, 8640, 4520, 2255, 2355N, 4320, 1750, 8320, 8020, 2040S, 7810, 1550, 4555, 9520T, 1530, 7020, 2855N, 8420, 5510N, 1450, 8110T, 2440, 9400, 7700, 4440, 6510S, 2755, 2120, 7610, 3020, 6320, 1520, 5320N, 8120T, 830, 4050, 4010, 4560, 2520, 6200, 6520, 4055, 7420, 5500, 6410L, 5310, 8410T, 5020, 8100T, 1250, 4020, 6200L, 710, 6420, 2955, 5500N, 4000, 8300, 8650, 6300, 1830, 8630, 8870, 2950 ERRATIC, SPEC, RPM, DEBRIS, OIL, SMOKE, CHECK, LOW, LOSS, HIGH, LEVEL, FUEL, HEAD, CONTROL, SPEED, CYLINDER, JDM MISC, ENG, F1340, F0400

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G/MAN

08-18-2007 07:50:47




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 Re: 4020 oil suggestions in reply to rexhellwig, 08-15-2007 20:25:23  
I'd be real careful about posting Deere proprietary info like DTAC solutions if I were you. I've passed along info FROM solutions several times, but have never cut and pasted the entire solution.



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rexhellwig

08-14-2007 19:16:32




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 Re: 4020 oil suggestions in reply to tedsxb, 08-14-2007 13:27:39  
Curious:
Just how much oil do you have to add after one of those "eight hour days" ?



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Brent Weaver

08-14-2007 17:26:26




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 Re: 4020 oil suggestions in reply to tedsxb, 08-14-2007 13:27:39  
Just like wilamayb said you can't beat John Deere 15-40 plus 50 that's all I run in all my diesels. To let everyone know this oil is for diesels only, should not be used in gassers.



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wilamayb

08-14-2007 20:32:44




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 Re: 4020 oil suggestions in reply to Brent Weaver, 08-14-2007 17:26:26  
Brent, I think you may be confusing some advise you heard about running gasoline oil in diesel engines. As long as it is approved by the manufacturer it is more than safe to run diesel oil in gasoline engines. I bet if you look on the back of your diesel engine oil jug it will say "safe for gasoline engines", however most of our modern day gasoline engines are running some pretty thin oil 5W-30.

Diesel engine oil has some special additives to keep the sulfur and carbon emitted by diesel combustion from making the crankcase oil acidic.

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Brent Weaver

08-15-2007 04:26:44




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 Re: 4020 oil suggestions in reply to wilamayb, 08-14-2007 20:32:44  
The use of 15-40 plus 50 in gas engine is the advise from deere themselves, not from any other source. Check with your local John Deere store.



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wilamayb

08-16-2007 04:28:11




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 Re: 4020 oil suggestions in reply to Brent Weaver, 08-15-2007 04:26:44  
Brent, I did check the Deere literature. It appears that Deere reccomends their 15W-40 plus 50 for almost ALL GASOLINE engines. I posted the spec sheet in a post above this one called 15W-40 plus 50 in gasoline engines. If you take a peek you will see what all plus 50 is good for. Whoever told you that Deere didnt reccomend was mistaken. Lots of folks offer advise. Seems like the not so bright ones offer the most.

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Chris in MD

08-14-2007 18:12:29




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 Re: 4020 oil suggestions in reply to Brent Weaver, 08-14-2007 17:26:26  
Well, that same oil has been in my friend's 3020 gas for about 6 years without any kind of problems.



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wilamayb

08-14-2007 14:44:42




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 Re: 4020 oil suggestions in reply to tedsxb, 08-14-2007 13:27:39  
Sounds like you already know that there is no magic oil to repair your worn piston rings. With regular service intervals I dont think you will see any problems with any manufaturer approved oil. The rotella is fine as is the Exxon XD3. You cant beat that John Deere 15-40 plus 50 with a stick. It is pretty good stuff.

You should be adding some sort of lubricant to your diesel. There are sevral options, but with ULSD the Automatic transmission fluid can get expensive as it takes about 4 quarts per 30 gallons. A cheaper option may be an additive offered by Stanadyne and a few other diesel parts manufacturers.

Where have you been getting diesel that was high sulfur? That stuff is hard to get. Are you sure it wasnt plain old low sulfur?

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Chris in MD

08-14-2007 14:19:49




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 Re: 4020 oil suggestions in reply to tedsxb, 08-14-2007 13:27:39  
we ran rotella T 15-40 in our '72 4020. It never burned a drop, but I don't know how wore out yours is. If yours is so wore out that you have to use 20-50 motor oil, you're for sure going to need a rebuild.



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nickg

08-14-2007 14:06:46




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 Re: 4020 oil suggestions in reply to tedsxb, 08-14-2007 13:27:39  
I have a 67. I am not sure if you have a gas or diesel, but either way I run 15w-40 in all my diesel farm tractors.I like rotella my self. As far as fuel i would see about getting a bio fuel mixture with soy. We run it in all of our tractors with out a single problem even in the winter. We run a 10% blend and our mechanic said that was good to use to keep the fuel system lubed



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