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Christos

08-13-2007 11:55:40

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Hi everyone, I gotta question for you all - I'm working on a FB drill and I found out that deere is now subbing AN12410 (a 13" inch disk) to replace BB3364M.

Shoup sells a disk/bearing/rubberboot that costs 27 bucks and Deere has all three but it costs around 35 bucks. Is there any difference in the quality between the two?

I'm figuring both are made overseas (I know the deere blade is Brazil) but I was curious how the two perform in field conditions.

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Christos

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G/MAN

08-14-2007 07:27:45

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Re: Shoup vs Deere in reply to Christos, 08-13-2007 11:55:40

Shoup sells parts at cheaper prices because they don't have the overhead of employing dealership personnel, training that personnel, stocking parts for a whole product line instead of what they choose to offer and can make a good profit on, etc. What does Shoup do when it comes to paying local taxes, employing local people and contributing to the local economy? People that buy from the aftermarket because it's cheaper are usually the first to complain when they no longer have a local dealer to run to for any little odds and ends they need on a right-now basis when all of a sudden price isn't an object.

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Gerald J.

08-14-2007 11:38:27

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Re: Shoup vs Deere in reply to G/MAN, 08-14-2007 07:27:45

Would you be so supportive of Deere after this?

A couple springs ago I found my planter (7000) marker leaking down. Sounded just like a worn cylinder seal so I picked up seals. Then as I took the marker apart I found it wasn't the seal (planting all done for the year) but was a hole rusted in a steel pipe inside the 7x7 square tube.

I went to the Deere parts counter and identified the part and they put in an order, stock delivery in a week. I said I needed it by NEXT YEAR. Went back a week later, no part, no order. After some checking the boss of the parts counter kicked in that Deere warehouse wasn't able to deliver so he'd cancelled the order (without telling the selling parts man OR me) and found one at a dealer half a country away and it was coming NEXT DAY AIR.

And they let me pay the NEXT DAY AIR fee on top of the price of the pipe which I didn't need for 10 months....

Yah, I got good parts service, far better than I needed at a significantly higher price than I expected.

Gerald J.

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G/MAN

08-14-2007 13:50:50

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Re: Shoup vs Deere in reply to Gerald J., 08-14-2007 11:38:27

Yeah, I probably would. For one thing, I'm a JD service technician, and know how hard MOST Deere dealership personnel work to keep customers happy. For the second thing, I assume you were dealing with human beings, and the unfortunate truth is that people can make mistakes. Seems like YOU made one assuming it was the seal, didn't you? But of course it's completely unreasonable and unacceptable for anyone with John Deere on his shirt to make a mistake concerning any JD product, isn't it? Why don't you call Schoup and see if they offer that line, so next time you won't be so badly mistreated...

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PreciseFarms

08-14-2007 16:35:41

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Re: Shoup vs Deere in reply to G/MAN, 08-14-2007 13:50:50

First of all we are very loyal to Deere. Our local dealer just recently joined a group of 20 other dealers to form one large company with 22 locations. This eliminated competition between them, which, at times worked to our advantage. We could drive 45 minutes on a major stock order and save 10%. They did this one year when spending $15,000 one winter going through 3 combines. But the kicker is, within a week after the merger, prices went up over 15%. This, evidenced by a part returned a week after it was purchased, only to find the price had increased. We are aware that prices go up from time to time, but never has Deere gone up that much at once. We have been told that Deere is encouraging all dealers to join or form a group like this or else, but this could just be a rumor. As I said, we are very loyal to Deere. I'm sure no other company can match them in quality on any agricultural product. However, farming is a business and if you can get comparable quality for a much lower price, then youre crazy not to do it-period. And FYI, the same local dealer just allowed my dad to have an 800 pound crate full of $3000 of Shoup parts dropped of on his dock. I admire you G/MAN for your loyalty and respect your opinions, but the farmer has always and will continue to find the best deal. He has to, its the only way he's survived as long as he has and its the only way he'll continue to survive.

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wilamayb

08-13-2007 19:33:07

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Re: Shoup vs Deere in reply to Christos, 08-13-2007 11:55:40

So I bet by the time you pay shipping on those shoup coulters/disk openers they will be pretty close to the same price as Deere. If you order the wrong part from Shoup you have to wait for the correct part as well as paying the shipping twice. When you buy from Deere you have a parts man who can assist you in ordering the correct part. If he orders the wrong part he will take it back. You dont have that luxury with Shoup.

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PreciseFarms

08-13-2007 19:52:32

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Re: Shoup vs Deere in reply to wilamayb, 08-13-2007 19:33:07

Actually we've had good luck with Shoup. For the difference I might go with Deere on this one. However, if the ones from Shoup come complete, then they may be a great deal. Also with orders over $250 (I think) you get free shipping. Would this order qualify? Also, Shoup tells you in many cases what JD part # you're getting. You do have to constantly compare because some parts are still cheaper through Deere. But, some parts are half the price of Deere and wear out in about 2/3 the time of Deere parts so your're still money ahead. Dad and formerly his cousins knew what they did and didn't like from Shoup and ordered accordingly. Some will say none of Shoup's parts wear as well as JD, but Dad says he can tell very little difference with many parts. He just ordered around $3,000 in combine parts from Shoup (knives, fingers, skid plates, etc.) but he buys rasp bars from Deere because they go on much easier (no bolts on the back), so there is a lot to factor in on every decision.

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