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1951 John Deere A Running Rough

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Steve Van Drimm

06-16-2007 18:06:13




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My tractor had been sitting in the same spot for a week or so and when I went to move it to change out the back tires it ran real rough and the needle on the oil pressure gauge was bouncing all over the place. It will occasionally smooth out for 5-10 seconds and the oil pressure needle will stabilize at about 18 lbs but then it starts running rough and the needle goes bezerk again.

Here's what I've done to try and solve the problem: new plugs, new ignition in distributor, new plug wires, new coil, fresh gas, cleaned carb, adjusted valves, adjusted tiiming, adjusted carb. I've dtermined that it does hit on both cylinders while this is going on. I need some help on this. Thanks

Steve

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Mike M

06-17-2007 04:54:51




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 Re: 1951 John Deere A Running Rough in reply to Steve Van Drimmelen, 06-16-2007 18:06:13  
Or are they related ? like from the carb. screwing up and filling the crankcase clear full of gas ? I've seen it before. How is your oil level and is the oil diluted ?



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F-I-T

06-16-2007 22:07:59




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 Re: 1951 John Deere A Running Rough in reply to Steve Van Drimmelen, 06-16-2007 18:06:13  
Steve:

I've seen this rapid movement in an oil pressure gauge when the entire tube to the gauge is filled with oil. Normally there is small amount of air trapped in the top portion of the line, and this cushions the movement and dampens the direct pulsations caused when the oil pump is being driven by an uneven motion. You can try removing the line from the gauge and the port where it connects near the governocr case, blowing it clear and trying again. It might help, but if the coil in the gauge is filled with oil, it might cointinue to be over-sensitive.

As to the rough running, you pretty much replaced any component that could affect it on the ignition side, so as was suggested, after you guarantee good flow from the sediment bowl to the carb bowl (I normally open the main drain cock first and if fuel flows freely in a pencil sized stream for at least thirty seconds), then you probably have an occlusion in the idle circuit. If a little bit of choke seems to smooth it out, that's pretty much a direct indication that you have some dirt in the idle side. If you take it apart, be sure to pull the center nozzle and clean the rust and dirt that is normally present there after 50+ years.

Watch for rust flakes, a wheat straw, or a bird feather in the fuel tank. They can float over the bottom opening of the tank and cause an engine to run with fits and starts one time, and then run fine the next.

Frank

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dds-inc

06-16-2007 18:43:34




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 Re: 1951 John Deere A Running Rough in reply to Steve Van Drimmelen, 06-16-2007 18:06:13  
I'm rather confused on the relationship between the oil pressure and the engine running rough. I believe that your gauge may be a little bit goofy. To diagnose the gauge, can you put a different gauge in it?

As for the engine running rough, I do believe that the carb has dirt it it. Perhaps when you cleaned it, it's not enough. There are small little holes that can only be cleaned with certain sizes of wire. Has the carb been REBUILT?

Also check your fuel strainer, when you take the bowl off, and turn the valve on, does gas dribble out of it fast or rather slow? IF slow, then the input to the bowl is getting restriction. There is also a screen in it that could be restricting flow.

Does engine blow black smoke when running rough? act like it wants to die? or does it change RPM's back and forth?

I could use this additional information.

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Steve Van Drimmelen

06-17-2007 07:12:27




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 Re: 1951 John Deere A Running Rough in reply to dds-inc, 06-16-2007 18:43:34  
Playing with the choke has no effect on the problem. It doesn't blow black smoke and the RPMs don't seem to change much when it smooths out. It starts easy and doesn't act like it wants to die when it's running. Hope this helps.

Steve



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