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Industrial Yellow or Factory Primer????

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John Deere Jeff

06-02-2007 19:11:44




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Hey Guys,
I just purchased a 720D standard, while power washing it, I have found numerous areas on the tractor where yellow in showing though such as the chassis, pony motor, inside and outside of Dash Casting, the total area around the perimeter of the flywheel, on the back side of the tractor just above the pto and also behind the hydralic box just to the right of the pto(facing rear of tractor). I didn't think that DEERE used yellow primer on the pony motors but I'm not sure?? If Anyone could give me some info, it would be very helpful. I'm not finished with the power washing, so I will keep everyone updated. Any help would be appreciated.
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JOHN DEERE JEFF

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F-I-T

06-03-2007 09:04:03




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 Re: Industrial Yellow or Factory Primer???? in reply to John Deere Jeff, 06-02-2007 19:11:44  
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The pony motors I have completely disassembled for overhaul were yellow under the green. The yellow that Deere used wasn't really a primer, but a low-grade enamel, probably with a pint of flatting agent in the drum, that was used as a sealer to protect the surface and to fill and seal minor sand holes and pits. If you look closely, most times they put a red on the inside and yellow on the outside, but it did depend on what they had on the line at the time.

When casting iron parts, the castings need to be "normalized", so they would set them outside in the lot to normailze, and since they didn't want every surface to rust, they sprayed them, even sometimes dipped them, to stuck fast any sand that would not shake or tumble out, and to protect the casting from rusting so that cutting oil and water-based machining coolants would drain out faster, and make chip blow out and downline wash operations drain faster. It made the milling, boring, honing experience much neater. "Painting" the parts prior to machining protected the parts, and and only required the machined areas to be protected with Cosmolene for storage and shipment. Internal parts that were cast or forged were also normalized, but they were allowed to rust and then they were cleaned in a Wheelabrator and dipped in wash oil prior to their trip down the line. I guess they didn't want the paint on a moving part as that could have aggitated the paint enough to cause it to flake off.

Today, you can do the same thing if you have a casting stripped down, but you have to use care not to get your coating on a machined surface. I like to apply a product like "Glyptal" inside blocks, heads, and housings, because it speeds the drain back of lubricant to the sump since the oil doesn't cling to the rough casting walls near as much. Here's a photo of Glyptal on my VAC's cylinder head.

The Deere stuff on the inside appears to me be a Glyptal type product. The outside seems to be the cheapest enamel of the day that they could apply, since it was only used for temperary weather protection.

My two cents.

Frank

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Soldier Tom

06-10-2007 06:43:53




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 OT: NICE VAC!! in reply to F-I-T, 06-03-2007 09:04:03  
F-I-T that is a NICE looking VAC! You may recall, I found two in the briars around Christmas? I got the heads off them and one was a wash, rusted out sleeves and all, but one was in really nice shape inside. Took the head over to the machinist to pretty up. I want to put the paint in the top part like you have, where could I find it? (Again, MAN you do GOOD WORK!)
~Walk in peace~
Soldier Tom

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WeirdDeere

06-02-2007 19:58:10




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 Re: Industrial Yellow or Factory Primer???? in reply to John Deere Jeff, 06-02-2007 19:11:44  
Deere did use yellow primer on the later tractors like your 720. My 80 had yellow all over the CAST IRON parts, including the pony motor. My 70D has plenty too.

Deere primed their castings, BUT NOT the sheetmetal...hood etc. You are likely looking at primer. If you find yellow on the sheetmetal, that is a different story entirely, and there is a chance the tractor was painted yellow from the factory.

Brandon
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John Deere Jeff

06-02-2007 20:04:21




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 Re: Industrial Yellow or Factory Primer???? in reply to WeirdDeere, 06-02-2007 19:58:10  
Weird Deere, Thanks for the info, I have another question that maybe you can help me with, I have a JD 420W phase 2 that was originally painted yellow at the factory,(it checks out). And it is not and I model nor a NAVY model, would you happen to know how many of these were built? Any info on this would be helpful.
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John Deere Jeff



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WeirdDeere

06-03-2007 20:01:04




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 Re: Industrial Yellow or Factory Primer???? in reply to John Deere Jeff, 06-02-2007 20:04:21  
I don't think there are any production numbers of yellow 420s made, sorry.

Brandon



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two cylinders saves gas

06-02-2007 19:41:52




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 Re: Industrial Yellow or Factory Primer???? in reply to John Deere Jeff, 06-02-2007 19:11:44  
That is a good question did john deere originally use primer ? Through my experiences ive never found any primer under the original green. I dont sandblast ,carefully clean each part the only way i would know .



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ram ranch

06-02-2007 21:41:27




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 Re: Industrial Yellow or Factory Primer???? in reply to two cylinders saves gas , 06-02-2007 19:41:52  
I have a tractor that John Deere used primer on and it's only 10 years old, NO rust or bear metal under the paint, just primer!



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