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Power Steering on JD 620

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John deere greg

05-24-2007 14:05:15




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We have a couple of JD 620's that the power steering works good when the tractor is cold but once it warms up they turn hard.

One is a 1956 model and it is worse turning one direction than the other direction even when it is still fairly cool.

The other is a 1957 it is realy good (compared to the 1956) but it became hard to steer after it was running for a while raking hay.

Just wondering if any one knows what might be the couse of this and how to fix it ... Thanks in advance

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bigblock

05-25-2007 17:06:30




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 Re: Power Steering on JD 620 in reply to John deere greg, 05-24-2007 14:05:15  
I put 10W30 motor oil in mine and it seems to work fine.What is special about JD's P/S fluid?



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buckeye al

05-25-2007 14:43:42




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 Re: Power Steering on JD 620 in reply to John deere greg, 05-24-2007 14:05:15  
One other important aspect that is covered by the rather specific adjustment process for these units is the runout on the steering worm gear.

If those bearings are loose, the worm does not fully actuate the hydraulic valve. When the oil gets warm, the PARTIALLY OPERATED valve condition gets worse.

Take notice some time while operating it to see if it steers hard one way if pulling back on the steering wheel but steers easier (maybe not easy but easier) THAT SAME WAY if pushing the steering wheel forward! Sounds dumb but when the steering worm bearings are loose, you can note a significant difference in steering effort when pulling versus pushing on the steering wheel. That is..... it will steer easy one way when pulling back, hard the other. When pushing forward, still hard one way and easy the other BUT THE EASY & HARD DIRECTIONS SWITCH PUSHING VERSUS PULLING!

Every reply is right on this matter. At the very least, some TLC is needed. Best to start with an oil change unless it's already known to be good JD PS oil. After that adjust the operating valve (behind the pipe plug) and the runout on the shaft then warm it up & center the valve, adjust the flow, check the pressure and it may work acceptably. All that pretty much needs to be done to check the flow rate past the vane seals anyway.

Even a small leak like where the suction line connects to the pump can let a small amount of air in. The oil gets a bit foamy & less effective.

Hope these replies help.

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Mike M

05-25-2007 05:02:28




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 Re: Power Steering on JD 620 in reply to John deere greg, 05-24-2007 14:05:15  
Sometimes you can get them back pretty good with just new seals and packings,sometimes you need to replace worn parts in the pump maybe even the center housing and sometimes even after all that you get one that still doesn't seem quite right.



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bigblock

05-24-2007 18:22:18




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 Re: Power Steering on JD 620 in reply to John deere greg, 05-24-2007 14:05:15  
You can loosen the 4 bolts in the control valve housing and bump the housing fore or aft to correct the hard steering in one direction.I would check the pump pressure and the vane seals on the hot/ hard steer.



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wilamayb

05-24-2007 16:13:00




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 Re: Power Steering on JD 620 in reply to John deere greg, 05-24-2007 14:05:15  
I certainly agree with the others, but one thing that comes to mind about the tractor that steers well until it warms up. Does this tractor have that expensive two cylinder powersteering fluid in it? If not it makes a difference. 10W-40 engine oil works pretty good until you get it good and warm. It seems to get a litte too thin. Hydraulic oil seems to be the worst. The correct oil certainly wont fix mechanical problems, but the machines I have seem to perform better with the real deal.

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F-I-T

05-24-2007 14:37:22




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 Re: Power Steering on JD 620 in reply to John deere greg, 05-24-2007 14:05:15  
Whenever the power steering action is better cold than hot, I tend to be suspicious of wear in the vane seals in the rotary cylinder leaking warm, thinner oil past the vanes. You should performn the vane oil bypass test that is described in the manual. This will show you if there is enough oil left after laeking by to still do the hydraulic work demanded. A secondary, albeit temporary, cure can be to bump up the flow rate through the valve to the cylinder. What you are hoping for here is to present a surplus of pressure oil and make up for the amount that is leaking past the seals. Eventually, you'll need to replace seals, but only after a complete diagnosis. Also, one reason as to why the wheels turn better in one direction than the other is that the vane seals can wear more on one edge, sort of like w windshield wiper blade able to plow water in one direction and slide over it in the other.

Careful when you bump up the flow as excess oil flow can cause the wheels to flutter. If they do, you'll have to back it down to a point that covers your by-pass leaking and still operates the wheels on cue. My two cents.

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machinery-man

05-24-2007 14:23:46




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 Re: Power Steering on JD 620 in reply to John deere greg, 05-24-2007 14:05:15  
There should be an over abundance of information on archives. Your problem comes from wear in one direction, but generally is a whole combination of factors. Recommend the archives first for your resolve.



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