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Arthur Driesse

05-17-2007 21:44:14




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My 820 knocks a bit is it supposed to. I assume it would knock a bit but mine does it all the time, just wondering what everybody elses thots are.




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Arthur Driesse

05-18-2007 21:03:43




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 Re: 820 knocking in reply to Arthur Driesse, 05-17-2007 21:44:14  
My fly wheel is tight, I checked that first. Maybe it is just the normal knock. I will check clutch and maybe check out some other 820s, see if its the same knock. thanks for the input, Art



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Mike M

05-18-2007 08:08:14




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 Re: 820 knocking in reply to Arthur Driesse, 05-17-2007 21:44:14  
A 2 cyl. model or the later 3 cyl. ? JD likes to reuse their numbers alot.



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F-I-T

05-18-2007 06:48:51




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 Re: 820 knocking in reply to Arthur Driesse, 05-17-2007 21:44:14  
Arthur:

MJB gave you good advice on the flywheel knock. The 820/30 attachment uses two keys in lieu of crankshaft splines, which I always thought was a superior method as compared to the 70/720/730 models. Look for signs of metal power around the crank/flywheel juncture, and oil and grease that is slung outward indicating movement. Checking the crank endplay can tell you if you have a thrust washer that has disintegrated, and that VERY excessive endplay can lead to a knock. Sometimes the endplay makes a knock on the pulley end, so check for a loose clutch driver as well.

Listen to the diesel carefully. You will have two knocking sounds that are correct. One is in the cylinders and the other is the grunt of the pumps, and that sounds more like a "Crack!" than a knock, at least to me, when it is working right and on time. You might need to spiff up the timing to met these sounds back.

Then there is always the knock caused by loose main beaings, rod bearings, and piston wrist pin slap. These things can be more likely if your engine has a lot of time on it after the last overhaul, especially if the pin bushings and/or pistons were not measured and if needed, replaced, at the last overhaul. There are a lot of "overhauls" where the rebuilder doesn't even measure the pins and slop, or replace the the bushings, puts rings in worn out grooves, not grind the crank, leave the pumps untouched, not rebore, only grinding the valves and installing rings and calling it overhauled. We used to call that a ring job.

Not saying that that is the case for you, but I mention for the prospective "overhaulers-to-be" out there.

So, check the crank endplay, then the flywheel tightness (since you might have to loosen it to reset the endplay), then the clutch driver, then the pump timing, and that's about it from my worthless-toolbox-of-two-cylinder-diesel-knowledge. Good luck.

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buickanddeere

05-18-2007 06:31:10




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 Re: 820 knocking in reply to Arthur Driesse, 05-17-2007 21:44:14  
The combustion chamber pressures climb rapidly into the thousands of psi when fuel is injected.It's actually detonation with a shock wave which would destroy a gasoline engine. However the heavier construction of diesel engines is designed for the higher pressures/thrust loads. Two otherwise identical diesels, one worn and the other fresh. They will sound much different. Timing makes a difference too, have you checked it? If an R,80,820,830 or 840 flywheel comes loose something is grossly wrong and abnormal. They use a very beefy keyway system rather than splines. When was the last time the clutch was 100% disasembled, checked & cleaned?

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mjbrown

05-18-2007 05:32:22




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 Re: 820 knocking in reply to Arthur Driesse, 05-17-2007 21:44:14  
The two cylinder diesels have a pretty good thump to them. If it is a metalic sounding knock like a clank you may have some other problem. Check to make sure your flywheel is tight. When they loosen up they make a pretty good racket untill they just let go.



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