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Mike

01-10-2000 11:26:21




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I used to use champion plugs years ago until I went to diesel trucks. Now that I am back playing with 2 cylinders I have been using them with limited succes! Tried d16's in my 46 G then went to ud21's . Both would soot up with less than 5 hrs. I just put a set of auto lites in and she runs better than ever!!! Opinions and options? thanks Mike




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Bruce Cooke

04-03-2002 08:04:54




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 Re: champion spark plugs in reply to Mike, 01-10-2000 11:26:21  
Looking for a champion 62S spark plug or it's equivalent. It is for a Lycoming 4 cylinder aircraft motor that is now on an air boat. Thanks Bruce.



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Nick

01-23-2000 19:26:09




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 Re: champion spark plugs in reply to Mike, 01-10-2000 11:26:21  
Just switched to Autolite 3077 plugs in my '36 A. What a difference!! She sounds like a JD, idles smoothly, lugs way down, and pulls great. They cost $3.50 each at the NAPA store. Whoever in the discussion followups that suggested anything but Champions, thank you. Nick



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AL

01-11-2000 10:23:57




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 Re: champion spark plugs in reply to Mike, 01-10-2000 11:26:21  
Looking at all the trouble all these guys have makes me feel REAL lucky! My longhood A (the purty one that goes to shows) got a set of D23's when I finished the rebuild back in 1989. I burn a mix of gas & #2 diesel in the main tank. I have disconnected the generator & run without a battery & always start by hand. Those 1989 plugs are still in that tractor un-fouled. I think it has more to do with tuning and heat control. Heat 'em up quick, keep 'em warm and tune 'em lean. I have a 51 B that used to foul any plugs. He's next in line for surgery. It burns a good bit of oil, has low compression & high hours. I put a shutter on it & a set of D23's 2 years ago. Still hittin. Planted 28 acres of corn and 35 acres of beans with him this spring. Not denying you guys having troubles. Just telling of my apparent lucky streak. Later.

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Greg H.

01-11-2000 10:13:01




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 Re: champion spark plugs in reply to Mike, 01-10-2000 11:26:21  
I don't have alot of experience with the two lungers, but I do have a gas 4020. I have a cronically rich carborator, that I can't seem to get cured, so I've gone through 4 sets of plugs in the past 2 1/2 years. the first set of champions plugs lasted about two months. Two sets of AC plugs lasted about a year. Finally, and against all advice from fellow JD owners I purchased a set of cheap Autolites, and have had exceptional luck with them. They have been in the tractor for a long while now, and I feel they are good plugs. What I was wondering is has anyone ever tryed a set of those "split fire "spark plugs? or don't they make them in the proper sizes for tractors?

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Bob W

10-18-2000 06:56:56




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 Re: Re: champion spark plugs in reply to Greg H., 01-11-2000 10:13:01  
The mechanic here said that they wont make a difference in them. I have a 4020 gas and AC plugs didn't work or Autolite. I have champions now. When i first got it it had John Deere plugs in it. Those worked just fine. If you try the split fire plugs, you might need adpters to fit in the hole. Try the Bosch Plantium +4.



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Chad Wink

01-10-2000 22:44:04




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 Re: champion spark plugs in reply to Mike, 01-10-2000 11:26:21  
I know this sounds odd, but I had super luck with Ford Motorcraft plugs. I haven't worked on a gas tractor for years, but back in the very early 90's I had such bad luck with Champions that I tried AC, Autolite, etc. Had good luck with Autolite and AC, but best luck with Motorcraft. I was able to buy those big plugs that the early As and Bs used for about $2.00 when they where much higher from AC and Champion. I used to get them at a Big A store.

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STMTS

01-10-2000 20:21:22




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 Re: champion spark plugs in reply to Mike, 01-10-2000 11:26:21  
From where we're from, IF YOU WANT IT TO RUN BAD, THEN DON"T USE CHAMPIONS!!!!! !!!!!



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Don

01-10-2000 18:13:21




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 Re: champion spark plugs in reply to Mike, 01-10-2000 11:26:21  
I have worked on JD's for almost 40 yr's and never could make a champion last in a 2cyl. C87-88's will last and Autolights also ( Ugg ) If your Mag is a little weak that doesnt help either . I recently had an old 'D' that did every thing but run right and it turned out to be the magnet in the mag was weak.



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larry h

01-10-2000 16:16:57




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 Re: champion spark plugs in reply to Mike, 01-10-2000 11:26:21  
we use d-23 and do not have a problem the only customers we have who do have problems with fuel wires etc



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Spokerd1

01-10-2000 15:00:03




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 Re: champion spark plugs in reply to Mike, 01-10-2000 11:26:21  
Mike. I have had a lot of problems with Champion Plugs. My 1929 D hates the Champion Plug. I switched to Auto-lite and the D runs a lot better. Champion in owned by Cooper Industry, the same company who built the Cooper Bessimer Engines, Ajax, and Superior engines. I also have some very close friends who are engineers for Cooper and they say that the Champion plug is not as good as they use to be. So I do not by a Champion any more even for my lawn mower or weed eater.

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Jim

09-15-2003 10:48:10




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 Re: Re: champion spark plugs in reply to Spokerd1, 01-10-2000 15:00:03  
I saw your comments on the 1929 D. I have one, too. On my 1936 B, I switched to autolite, and it made a huge difference! What autolite plug did you use on your D?

Jim



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Dominic Centonze

01-10-2000 13:29:24




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 Re: champion spark plugs in reply to Mike, 01-10-2000 11:26:21  
As a gas engine technology instructor, I can safely say that Champion plugs do not resist fouling very well with the formulated gasolines now coming out of the pump. I learned this firsthand from a CHAMPION ENGINEER himself at a conference. Good move to use the Autolites!



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clooney

01-10-2000 13:50:28




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 Re: Re: champion spark plugs in reply to Dominic Centonze, 01-10-2000 13:29:24  
Dominic, some people in my area seem to think it has to do with the plating on the CHAMPION plugs. I just posted this here for people to toss around. I personally haven't had any problems with CHAMPION plugs, but I use two plug gaskets under my plugs (it raises the heat range slightly)



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Jiff

01-10-2000 13:13:03




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 Re: champion spark plugs in reply to Mike, 01-10-2000 11:26:21  
Any product that directs itself towards the homeowner, do-it-yourself crowd usually isn't worth the money to bring it home, look at the reputation of Black and Decker then vs. now, Craftsman then vs. now, Pennzoil, Quaker State vs. oils such as Shell Rotella, Delo, etc. Champion always had quality control problems, the fact that they are now supposedly made in China should be warning enough to stay clear away. This list has been full people who have been shystered by the Champion advertising money.

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JDBob

01-10-2000 12:09:36




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 Re: champion spark plugs in reply to Mike, 01-10-2000 11:26:21  
I use AC C87's in my A's and have real good luck with them. I don't care for the Autolite or Champion plugs.



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Curt

01-10-2000 15:45:27




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 Re: Re: champion spark plugs in reply to JDBob, 01-10-2000 12:09:36  
Food for thought. We have a 1939 JD G that we use for pulling. Dynoed it with Champion D-21 plugs and had 72 HP.
Dynoed it with Autolite 386 plugs and had 70 HP.
Put the Champ. plugs back in and checked it again and had 72 HP and that is good enough for me so we stuck with the Champion plugs.



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karl d

01-23-2000 11:54:47




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 Re: Re: Re: champion spark plugs in reply to Curt, 01-10-2000 15:45:27  
I have a 46 g i us to pull with i us autolite 3116 plugs in it it runs super good.



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