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Paul Fox

01-06-2000 13:35:00




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'44 A, all fuel. It's been on an AGCO dealer's lot for 3 or 4 months now. I first looked at it in September.

Sheet metal is all there. Cast piece down the center of the grille has been welded up, but they did do a nice job. Pan above trans that the seat sits on is rotted out pretty bad. Wiring's been butchered, voltage regulator hanging off the side of the hood. Fuel change-over control jammed. Sheet metal dinged but not butchered. It's had a fairly recent "spraycan overhaul" that I'd have to strip and redo, after some bodywork. Rear tires hold air, but I'm not sure how. No signs of cracks or welds on the frame or engine block. Flywheel seems pretty tight, can't wiggle it with my hands, anyhow.

It started and ran when I was looking at it in September, didn't try it today, awful cold.

Thinking I might wander into the showroom with $500 in cash and see what they say.

Whatcha think?

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Brian

01-07-2000 09:37:27




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 Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Paul Fox, 01-06-2000 13:35:00  
Your area must be spendy, here in Minnesota you can buy all the A's you want for $1000, and painted! I just sold a restored and painted 48 B for 1200, and was glad to get the price. I just bought a 50 (sn500019 for 1900, that has live power and great condition, and everybody tells me I paid way too much! Come up here and buy tractors!



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Greg H.

01-07-2000 06:48:09




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 Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Paul Fox, 01-06-2000 13:35:00  
Paul, If you are willing to pay a thousand and from what it sounds like, it might be worth that???, than tell the dealer that and give him your Number. I let a 60 get away a couple years back because I didn't tell him what I'd pay. He was asking 3200 for it to begin with, but because I was the only person in about 3 months to ask about it he said he would take 2900 foir it. I felt that 2500 was all I wanted to pay, but didn't want to seem rude to the man or talk his equiptment down, so I thanked him for his time and left. I told a neighbor about the tractor, and what the man was wanting for it. Needless to say he marched himself up to the dealer and offered 2500 dollars and the man smiled and sold him the tractor. Not only do I get to kick myself, but I get to hear that 60 popping away two hills over all the time. " I swear he runs a straite pipe on that thing, just to make sure I can hear him over on his place." I ended up with a 4020, so life couldn't be better, but my point is dont be afraid to ask, or think you're being rude, Tell him what you will pay, and give him you number. If not trust me someone else will. Greg H.

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Steamer

01-07-2000 05:26:22




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 Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Paul Fox, 01-06-2000 13:35:00  
Howdy, Paul! I've read through all the previous posts, and agree with your $1000 estimate for the true value of the machine. I figure anything that is mostly there and (most importantly) actually running is worth $1000 these days. One only has to look at the price of a new one in the same HP range for a reality check! My new 4500 was $18,000 last summer (of course, it has a lot more features to offer than an 'A', but then it cost 18x more).

Of course, my machine value ideas would be affected by the area (Raleigh, NC) I live in, where there's a high demand for under 50HP machines and a fairly small supply of used equipment in any condition. I looked at several 1970 vintage machines (that were in worse shape than that 'A' sounds from your description) that were in the $8k to $10k range. That's what sent me over to the dealer to buy a new machine. I couldn't see the logic in parting with 1/2 the cash of a new machine for a used one that was worn smack out.

What I'd do at this point is take a hard look at the 'A'. Run it around and look, listen and feel for serious driveline troubles (I'm sure you know what the warning signs are). All the other items require some time and effort, but if the main machine is fairly sound, then I'd say $1000 is fair. By now, I bet the dealer is willing to take that for it, too. I remember how low the cash flow became in January and February when we had our JD dealership (so many years ago now)! An extra thousand bucks might just be sounding r-e-a-l good to him right about now. By the time you're done you'd have a nice machine for $2-3k and that's not bad.

As far as the value of JD's vs. other decent tractors goes, I have a couple of ideas for your consideration. One is that JD is the only remaining company that survives intact today. Parts are still available from them for their old machines. The other is that the 2-cyl machines are of a different design than the others. I have always liked the sound they make far better than the 4-cyl machines. The sound from the simpler machine seems to communicate the fact that life (farm life, anyway) was simpler back then than it is now (at least is does to me)..... .

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F14

01-07-2000 09:59:55




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 Re: Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Steamer, 01-07-2000 05:26:22  
Hey, Steamer, LONG TIME!

Yeah, that seems pretty reasonable. Problem is, I could get the wife to live with it for $500, but for $1000, I'm going to have to take a LOT of guff.

We'll see. I'm headed back up that way first of the week, if it's still there, I'll make him an offer and see what we see.



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The Red

01-07-2000 05:50:29




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 Re: Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Steamer, 01-07-2000 05:26:22  
One thing that really surprised my on my 4400 combine is how reasonable the prices are on parts. IH parts have TRIPLED in price over the last 10 years where as JD parts have stayed pretty much the same.



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Tom S.

01-07-2000 06:18:12




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 Re: Re: Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to The Red, 01-07-2000 05:50:29  
Just wait and don't count chicks just yet, Red. You haven't gotten to the good stuff yet. You should read the message on the talk board at Ag On Line yesterday, where a guy overhuling a trans had to give a hundred sumpthin dollars for a brass clad steel thrust washer from NH. Nothing special, just a thrust washer. All the other parts were high till he got to that. Unreal. Tom S.



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The Red

01-07-2000 06:33:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Tom S., 01-07-2000 06:18:12  
Tom it will be a $3,000 machine before it is said and done for sure. I have already budgeted for a new augur and tube. I want the longer length anyway so I don't prang it on the semi-trailer.



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Tom S.

01-07-2000 06:53:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to The Red, 01-07-2000 06:33:52  
Shop first. Remember, everything does not have to come from JD. [elec fuel pump could come from JC Whiney, windshield from salvage] Keep up the good work though. Excuse my paranoia, but I just hate it when someone writes that they think the price of new parts is fair! You never know if one of the CEO's at JD or where ever might read this board in his spare time !
I am still looking for your E-mail address too. Tom S.

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The Red

01-07-2000 07:32:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Tom S., 01-07-2000 06:53:03  
I could have gotten a used windshield at Bryants for $150 but I figure I would have broken it trying to install it. Insurance picked up all but $250 of the tab. I will get a rebuilt augur and tube at Bryants also.



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The Red

01-07-2000 02:10:51




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 Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Paul Fox, 01-06-2000 13:35:00  
Paul it is winter, AGCO probably has zero cash flow at the moment. I would offer them $500 and give them 30 days to take the offer. I think we all know the baby boomer's kids are not that interested in old tractors so there are way more tractors then there are collectors. Let us know what their response is. In central Indiana, that A would probably trade at a slightly higher price but not by much. Good luck.

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Nathan(GA)

01-06-2000 20:26:44




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 Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Paul Fox, 01-06-2000 13:35:00  
Maybe this is a dumb idea, but why don't you just ask what they want for it? If he comes back with some high price then you can laugh at him and offer the $500 and he can laugh at you. Who knows he may take the $500, but I doubt it. At least yall can get a laugh from one another. Let me know what happens and Good Luck!
Nathan



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Paul Fox

01-07-2000 02:51:47




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 Re: Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Nathan(GA), 01-06-2000 20:26:44  
Nathan, his opening offer in September was $1500. I didn't laugh, but I pretty near ruptured something important keeping it in.



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Nathan(GA)

01-07-2000 07:12:16




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 Re: Re: Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Paul Fox, 01-07-2000 02:51:47  
Paul, That sounds pretty steep, but it's hard to know without seeing. Don't rupture anything. A little laughter does the body good.:) Have a good one!
Nathan



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Tom S.

01-07-2000 06:22:03




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 Re: Re: Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Paul Fox, 01-07-2000 02:51:47  
He doesn't have a computer and read this site does he? Tom S.



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HMan

01-06-2000 17:59:19




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 Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Paul Fox, 01-06-2000 13:35:00  
Like the other fellow said, I too bet the dealer doesn't have a dime in it. Offer him the 500 you, can always go up. I'll bet you go up to 750 or 800 you'll be the proud owner of an A.



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Jack

01-06-2000 17:57:01




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 Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Paul Fox, 01-06-2000 13:35:00  
Theres one thing about it,the AGCO dealer knows that some John Deere nut will buy it,whether it's you or someone else,so he probably won't budge much on the price.I looked at a styled B back in the summer for 800 dollars and it ran good.I studied and thought for a long time and finally decided to buy it,but when I went back it was gone.I have been grumpy about that ever since,so if its what you want ,go for it cause you'll be thinking about it for a long time if you don't.Jack

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larry h

01-06-2000 17:12:20




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 Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Paul Fox, 01-06-2000 13:35:00  
here in ky an a in this shape will not bring 500 in fact several sales i see the two cylinders are losing some big money not making any i have heard the same from all over the country many people are cashing in stead of taking a bigger hit



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CLOONEY

01-06-2000 15:26:26




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 Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Paul Fox, 01-06-2000 13:35:00  
Paul, If you can buy any John Deere for 500.00 "GET IT"--Then take it home,pat yourself on the back,play with it for a few days. THEN look it over very VERY VERY VERY carefully for cracks, missing parts,wrong parts,water in eng. or trans. Try to figure what it will cost to fix it up the way you will want. If it will cost more than twice what it is worth to fix. Sell it for a profit then buy one that will be cheaper to fix.--There is probably a reason that tractor has been sitting so long!

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Paul Fox

01-06-2000 15:38:35




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 Re: Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to CLOONEY, 01-06-2000 15:26:26  
Thanks, Clooney. I doubt I'd get it for that, I just wondered if I'd get laughed out of the place if I offered that.

See my replies to Spoker1d and Pappy for my overall view of the situation.



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CLOONEY

01-06-2000 15:55:47




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 Re: Re: Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Paul Fox, 01-06-2000 15:38:35  
Nobody is going to laugh at you for trying to get a good deal. You start low ,he'll start high,its where you meet thats important.



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Pappy

01-06-2000 14:46:56




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 Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Paul Fox, 01-06-2000 13:35:00  
If it runs and moves, get it quick!!!!

What else can you buy for $500 that will make you any happier. It might be a good investment.



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Paul Fox

01-06-2000 15:31:29




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 Re: Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Pappy, 01-06-2000 14:46:56  
Oh, I doubt I'll get it for that, just wondering if they'll throw me out on my tractor seat if I use that as an opening offer.

If I could get it for under $1000, I'd have to give it serious thought.



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Paul Fox, again

01-06-2000 13:49:37




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 Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Paul Fox, 01-06-2000 13:35:00  
Yes, I know I asked basically the same question back around the first of October. I'm just wondering if the fact that it hasn't moved yet might give me some leverage.

Thanks.



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Spokerd1

01-06-2000 14:44:28




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 Re: Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Paul Fox, again, 01-06-2000 13:49:37  
I don't think that the $500.00 will get it, but it does not hurt to try. I think it will be more around $1,200. or more. Sounds pretty ruff. But you have to start some where.



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Paul Fox

01-06-2000 15:36:03




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 Re: Re: Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Spokerd1, 01-06-2000 14:44:28  
I don't NEED the tractor at all, and I sure don't WANT it bad enough to pay that kind of money for it.

Maybe I'm being prejudiced (I grew up with a '49 B and a 5? A, and I own a JD now) but I wouldn't pay that kind of money for any other brand in that condition, why should I pay it for a JD?

Seems like old JD's command a higher price than similar units of other brands. Can't imagine why.



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Paul again, Sorry

01-06-2000 16:12:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Paul Fox, 01-06-2000 15:36:03  
that didn't come out quite the way I intended.

Not trying to start trouble, just trying to understand an observable phenomenon: Deeres consistently bring more money that a comparable tractor of another brand. Having been mostly around Red ones and Green ones, I just don't see enough difference to justify the difference in cost, but it's there, so I assume there must be some sort of reason.

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Jimbo

01-06-2000 17:01:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Paul again, Sorry, 01-06-2000 16:12:15  
Paul I doubt seriously that AGCO has floor planned a trade-in such as an A,(not enough dollar value). If the dealer was sharp in his trading, which most are,(who are still in business) he has absolutely nothing invested in that A. It will more than likely sit there until he gets at least a $1000.



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Paul Fox

01-07-2000 02:54:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm lookin' at a... in reply to Jimbo, 01-06-2000 17:01:51  
Hmmm. Yer probably right about that. I doubt it's costing him anything to let 'er sit there. Still, I think I'll make the offer, just to see what he says.



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