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Wind

01-03-2000 09:20:15




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Currently restoring a 1935 B, S/N 05964, and have several questions. First and foremost is the question of the upper cooling system pipe/casting. I think that I have read on here before that this is a difficult repair. Something about a sweated fitting and brazing. If indeed this a difficult repair, where would I find NOS parts or a quality used part? Already checked the local Deere dealer to no avail. I am concerned about a replacement part because it could have the same problems as the old one, rusted out steel tube. I have asked this question on Agless Iron at @gonline and not gotten a good answer. The block is currently out and ready for boring to clean up the pitting in the right cylinder. I think I have finally located a source for an OH kit for a pre 200K S/N. Additionally, my B has a Fairbanks-Morse Mag. My deceased father, a JD mechanic, didn't think it was standard but wasn't sure. Anyone know that answer either? I know I will have many more questions before this is done. Thanks for the responses in advance.

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Craig

01-07-2000 20:14:11




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 Re: B restoration questions. in reply to Wind, 01-03-2000 09:20:15  
Yep, my 1950 B has rust holes in it after I sandblasted the barnicals out of it. Now what? I found a local repair shop that has some pipe that was same OD as mine but twice the wall thickness. OK, so how do I make the bends? Fortunatley that year B only needs a slight bend at each end. The pipe did not match a standard exhaust pipe size so I cut some sheet metal peices to use as shims on each side of the pipe and took the whole works to a muffler shop and explained what I wanted and that I thought my sheet metal shims placed between my pipe and their bending die would help keep the pipe from being crushed out of round. Hey it worked great. Now exhaust pipe benders make a little different bend than a "mandrel pipe bender" but it's at least functional. then I made up a fixture to mount the pipe assembly in during the brazing process. I bolted the cast elbow down and made shims (bushings) out of sheetmetal to fill the spaces between the bolts and bolt holes in the cast iron elbow so it would have so much free play. then I made another peice of flat steel with hole in to fit free but not sloppy around the far end of the water pipe and bolted that to the same base as the cast elbow was bolted to. I used a short angle iron with oversize bolt holes so it would line up where ever it needed to be. Then remove the water pipe assembly and unbraze the old pipe then insert the new pipe and install it in the fixture and then braze it back together. I needed a big rosebud torch to get enough heat to do the job. I now have a new pipe twice as thick as the origianl. the first pipe lasted nearly 50 years. I think this one will be good for another 100 or so.

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Spokerd1

01-03-2000 10:29:05




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 Re: B restoration questions. in reply to Wind, 01-03-2000 09:20:15  
The F & M mag was standard and was later changed out to the Wico. It should be a F&M RV2 mag on the B. As far as the water pipe it has some difficulty repairing. Most wielding shops can repair this pipe. If you order a pipe ask them as to whay shape it is in. Call David Marlin at 1-417-589-2634 And ask him for a good used upper water pipe. And you might check with Shorty Dear at 1-806-435-3968



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Wind

01-03-2000 11:55:55




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 Re: Re: B restoration questions. in reply to Spokerd1, 01-03-2000 10:29:05  
Thanks Spoker! I really didn't want to doubt Dad's expertise, but just had to ask the question. I hadn't taken the radiator in yet for a check, so thought I might take the pipe in at the same time. The place, Milan Radiator in Milan IL, has a pretty good reputation around here for two cylinder radiator work, so maybe they have some ideas on how to repair the pipe. My initial thoughts on the pipe were that JD would cary the part as it was made from thin steel, but guess that assumption was wrong.

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mark

01-03-2000 12:11:41




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 Re: Re: Re: B restoration questions. in reply to Wind, 01-03-2000 11:55:55  
You might try K&K Antique Tractor Parts, they might have the upper pipe to braze in, I've done it before,you need lots of heat but it can be done. Took my old pipe to a muffler shop and had a new one made by using the old for pattern.



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Wind

01-03-2000 09:26:10




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 Re: B restoration questions. in reply to Wind, 01-03-2000 09:20:15  
One other amazing fact about this tractor! After 14 years in dry storage, fuel and water drained, it did start with a pull, just not enough compression to fire it by hand. Still amazing to me!



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