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john deere 60 counter shaft end play

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Kemper

02-18-2007 13:06:25




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I have my 60 tore down and about ready to remove the shifter shafts and the sliding gear and counter shafts, I did find one thing,that my counter shaft is supposed to have .001-.004 OF end play, i can move the shaft about a half inch,thus letting the bearing back out of the race,i wonder if this has been my howling noise?
i even took out all the shims on the holder and still have a good 1/4 inch play, the 2 outside bearings look ok,but i think there are 2 more on the shaft also.
Also from what i can tell the gears don't look wore much at all.

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Kemper

02-18-2007 17:05:57




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 Re: john deere 60 counter shaft end play in reply to Kemper, 02-18-2007 13:06:25  
The thrust washer looks ok as far as i can see right now but i will have to pull the outer bearing off the shaft,then i can inspect it.

The play about has to be in the 2 outer bearings,
the left bearing race is scored good in one spot about 1/4 of the way around,not sure what done that as the bearing itself don't have any knicks or rough spots but they will be replaced along with the thrust washer.

Surely jd can get these bearings?

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Kemper

02-18-2007 15:20:54




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 Re: john deere 60 counter shaft end play in reply to Kemper, 02-18-2007 13:06:25  
Fit, I got both shafts out,the only thing that lookes like it needs replaced is both bearings and races on the ends of the counter shaft,yes the 2 flat roller bearings look good.



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F-i-T

02-18-2007 16:40:57




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 Re: john deere 60 counter shaft end play in reply to Kemper, 02-18-2007 15:20:54  
The thrust washer was good? Any idea of where the 1/2" play came from?



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F-I-T

02-18-2007 14:48:08




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 Re: john deere 60 counter shaft end play in reply to Kemper, 02-18-2007 13:06:25  
Do you have a parts breakdown illustration? It's going to be a whole lot easier to discern the possible problems if you do. It will be a tougher job if you do not.

If you are talking the countershaft, and not the sliding gear shaft, it is carried on either end by a large tapered roller bearing. The sliding gear shaft runs in staright, not tapered, bearings. Too much endplay will indeed make a tapered bearing howl as it tries to run in a larger cone radius than designed. Too little endplay and they'll stay quiet until they lose some metal, then it's too late because the bearing roller is out of form and will need to be replaced. There are also two flat roller bearings on the shaft used to carry the cluster idler gear (inside the idler gear's bore), but since they are straight roller bearings, they have no affect on endplay. Only the cone bearings handle the end load. There is also a thrust washer/spacer just inside the pulley end cone bearing. If that thrust washer has been worn or destroyed, you could have endplay like you are seeing.

If it has run with that excessive endplay for a while, think real hard before you re-install those bearings. I'll bet the cone races are worn along with the bearings, and it might still hown when you get it back together. Consider new bearings and cones, but you'll know for sure when you get it apart.

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