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1948 Deere B

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Sam from WA

01-30-2007 16:35:29




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I have a 1948 B that surges real bad. it had the flywheel come loose a couple years ago. we have rebuilt the carburetor and magneto, but it still surges. would the problem be in the flywheel and crankshaft? after the flywheel came loose, we just put it back on and tightened it down good. running at an idle, this tractor will just about die and then it will speed up again. is it just that the flywheel is out of balance, or is it something else?

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Sam from WA

01-31-2007 14:08:46




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 Re: 1948 Deere B in reply to Sam from WA, 01-30-2007 16:35:29  
my dad and i are thinking the surging problem may have to do with inadquate spark. what rules that out somewhat is that the tractor starts on the third or fourth time over. dad thinks new plugs and plug wires may help a little bit. this tractor is not very smooth while its running. i've run As and 60s, and they didn't have near the vibration our B does. we haven't touched the govenor linkage at all.

thanks for the help

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P Browning

01-31-2007 14:59:59




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 Re: 1948 Deere B in reply to Sam from WA, 01-31-2007 14:08:46  
Sam -- it won't take you two minutes to check the gove-to-carb linkage adjustment, and what you have sure sounds like that should be a first. You have to begin to rule out little things first! (PatB)



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Sam from WA

01-31-2007 17:10:41




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 Re: 1948 Deere B in reply to P Browning, 01-31-2007 14:59:59  
Do you pull the throttle handle as far open as it will go? i pulled it all the way open with the linkage all hooked up and the flat spring on the govenor pulled away about 2 inches. the throttle butterfly came all the way open and hit the stop. is this supposed to happen? dad says this tractor didn't run when he bought it and it never ran very smooth after he got it running. this is the first time i've ever done serious work on a 2 cylinder.

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P Browning

02-01-2007 06:58:51




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 Re: 1948 Deere B in reply to Sam from WA, 01-31-2007 17:10:41  
QUESTION: Do you pull the throttle handle as far open as it will go?

ANSWER= YES.

STATEMENT & QUESTION: I pulled it all the way open with the linkage all hooked up and the flat spring on the govenor pulled away about 2 inches. The throttle butterfly came all the way open and hit the stop. Is this supposed to happen?

ANSWER= YES - THIS IS NORMAL. Proceed as follows

(1) Free up and align all linkage to remove any binding. Adjust or renew any parts causing lost motion, and DISCONNECT throttle rod at carburetor.

2) With throttle handle in FULL SPEED position (engine not running), adjust the length of the carburetor throttle rod so that the rod is 1/2 hole short from entering hole in carburetor throttle shaft lever when carburetor butterfly is in wide open position. RECONNECT throttle rod at carburetor.
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This is not too terribly hard. Let us know how it goes.
(PatB)

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F-I-T

01-31-2007 08:41:12




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 Re: 1948 Deere B in reply to Sam from WA, 01-30-2007 16:35:29  
Sam:

Dynamic physics tells me that the engine would not speed up and slow down over the course of several hundred or even tens of revolutions if the flywheel/crankshaft/clutch driver were out of balance. If the CG were off location from the center of rotation, the result would be a lumpy or shakey event on EVERY ROTATION, ergo, a surge on every revoltion, which would be an intense vibration. Paint shakers don't speed up and slow down, they just shake. Pretty typical of a two banger with a flyhweel or clutch driver out of rotary index location.

Though it has already been stated, the first thing I would check is the static governor setting. Sounds like a prime candidate to me. Next, binding linkages, and then air leaks. Vacuum leaks can cause surging.

Frank

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P Browning

01-31-2007 08:28:10




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 Re: 1948 Deere B in reply to Sam from WA, 01-30-2007 16:35:29  
Sam -- See Kent's remarks also. Whichever we have here, alignment between flywheel and crankshaft is so very important -- Between these responses, it is hoped you find and are able to fix the issues. (PatB)



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Kent Petersen

01-31-2007 08:19:31




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 Re: 1948 Deere B in reply to Sam from WA, 01-30-2007 16:35:29  
Pat i think the 48 B had V timeing marks on both ends of crankshaft and flywheel and clutch driver disk i would also check for air leak on carb tro shaft

Kent



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P Browning

01-30-2007 17:55:24




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 Re: 1948 Deere B in reply to Sam from WA, 01-30-2007 16:35:29  
Sam -- You need to eliminate a variable or two here.

The flywheel: The deep keyway of the flywheel should be placed over the locating screw on the crankshaft; or if the wheel carries a rivet, the rivet should be engaged with cutaway spline on crankshaft. Either the locating screw or flywheel rivet would have to have been missing for you to have installed the flywheel out of time (and out of balance). Assuming the tractor operated OK before the flywheel incident, a quick way to check flywheel timing goes like this: (1) Remove the valve cover, (2) Check to ensure tappet adjust for the # 1 exhaust valve is set to 0.020 inch, and (3) Rotate the flywheel in normal direction until the # 1 exhaust valve is just beginning to open (0.000 tappet gap) -- STOP the flywheel. At this time, the flywheel mark L.H. EXHAUST OPEN should be in register +/- one-inch of the index mark on gear case (3:00 o'clock). If this test fails AND no other work has been done to the tractor to affect the relationship between crankshaft & camshaft -- remove & reinstall flywheel so this test is passed.

Surging: This is a bit of a subjective term, but from the way you have described things -- I can easily believe the governor throttle linkage adjustment needs to be revisited. Proceed as follows (1) Free up and align all linkage to remove any binding. Adjust or renew any parts causing lost motion, and disconnect throttle rod at carburetor. Then (2) With hand control in full speed position (engine not running), adjust the length of the carburetor throttle rod so that the rod is 1/2 hole short from entering hole in carburetor throttle shaft lever when carburetor butterfly is in wide open position. Reconnect throttle rod at carburetor.

Carburetor Testing: I don't really see the carburetor at direct fault here just yet, but if -- after acting through the steps outlined above, you are having grief, you may elect to run the two no-wrench tests to ensure both sides of that carb are truly open. For these, go to the JD-H Restoration Site (below) and once there, one-click on CARBURETORS over on the left side of the Home screen. The test for open pathways is on page 7 or 8. Run those so as to be sure, and then we go from there. (PatB)

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