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Ken from Pa

01-30-2007 07:51:12




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I finally got the MT that Iam restoring running. It had not been run in 10 years. No knocking and the guage shows oil pressure. I let it idle for 15 minutes and saw no movement on the temp guage. How can I tell if the water pump is working ? How long would it take to over heat if there is a problem in the cooling system. Drove it down the drive way and back what a thrill. Had not drivin a tractor in 40 years.

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Ken from Pa

01-30-2007 16:19:06




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 Re: MT in reply to Ken from Pa, 01-30-2007 07:51:12  
Thanks for the great replys. I had no idea that the MT did not have a water pump.Guess I didn't do my home work there.
The water temp sending unit in hot water will answer a lot of questions.



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P Browning

01-30-2007 15:06:37




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 Re: MT in reply to Ken from Pa, 01-30-2007 07:51:12  
To eliminate a variable, pull the temp gauge probe and pour some boiling hot water onto it, or better yet -- dunk the probe into the hot water pot. If the gauge don't come right up, ditch it for a new one!

Just a little side note here -- if you installed antifreeze and did not premix the water & antifreeze before hand, drain it out, mix it and then reintall. The specific gravity of antifreeze is some 8 to 12% greater than water. It is HEAVIER! Thermo-siphon works on the idea that hot water is lighter than cold water, thus it will seek a higher level. As it does, cooler water is pushed out of the radiator back into the engine. If the heavier solution of mostly antifreeze is positioned in the lower part of the cooling system, THERE is where it will STAY -- blocking circulation!

These are good lessons for all who restore, refurbish or spruce up an old tractor. Hot water testing of a temp gauge is a simple affair if you do it before it is installed -- then you know!(PatB)

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Mike M

01-30-2007 09:36:04




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 Re: MT in reply to Ken from Pa, 01-30-2007 07:51:12  
A good chance your temp. gauge is bad. As most posts you see hear with the M and MT ask why they read so hot. So if you end up replacing that gauge don't be surprised if it now reads 200+ right away. Those due run hot so the thermo siphon ( no water pump ) can work.



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tstex

01-30-2007 09:12:43




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 Re: MT in reply to Ken from Pa, 01-30-2007 07:51:12  
Ken,

The guys are right on, but let me make a couple of suggestions and notes.

If it is cold where you are, you probably will not get to that high operating range 190 - 210 unless you really "load-her" for an extended timeframe. Also, the temp sending gauge us on the water manifold & under the hood, so it will read a higher heat than the actual fluids.

Since the MT does not have a water pump and it was originally spec'ed for water only, here are a couple of suggestions:

1). Only put in distilled water so you do not initiate mineral deposits in the cooling system.
2). Depending on how cold it gets where you are, do a blend of 30% anti-freeze, 70% distilled water to start; colder, increase your anti-freeze...etc.
3) Always pre-mix both your antifreeze and water before you add it to the radiator [no water pump does not mix it well]
4) Make sure your rad core is good and does not leak...

good luck,
tstex

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Ken52M

01-30-2007 08:25:31




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 Re: MT in reply to Ken from Pa, 01-30-2007 07:51:12  
Ken,
Previous post is right on. Just to add.. You can tell how well your cooling sys. is working by putting your hand on the lower (outlet) hose). My M has shutters which helps a lot to get them warmed up. Enjoy your MT!
KB



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leon

01-30-2007 08:12:05




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 Re: MT in reply to Ken from Pa, 01-30-2007 07:51:12  
The MT is a thermo-syphon cooling system, no water pump. It takes quite a bit of running, some load and covering the radiator, to get the temp gauge to start moving, especially in cold weather. However, in hot weather under continuous, heavy load it will probably run pegged at the other end of the gauge, but that's normal too. Just add water as this non-pressure system boils it away



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