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51 B Steering Shim Dimensions

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Gr8Bald1

01-29-2007 10:36:54




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When I put my B back together I either lost or never had the shims that go under the steering gear. Not the ones on the end of the steering wheel shaft but the ones under the gear that meshes with the worm gear. Sorry I don't have my parts book here or I'd give you a part number to clear things up. They are apparently unavailable from Deere so I'll just make my own. The problem is I need a drawing or at least dimensions. I need some relief! My forearms looked like Popeye's last year after a 3-day tractor ride.

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P Browning

01-30-2007 18:16:27




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 Re: 51 B Steering Shim Dimensions in reply to Gr8Bald1, 01-29-2007 10:36:54  
The shim part number is 24H81R, thickness is 1/32-inch, ID is 1-7/8-inch, and OD is 2-5/8-inch. And you will need to cut a notch in it so the 19H98R fillister headed cap screw (locking set screw) will seat down (thru it) to the pedestal casting. This should get you back on track.

And yes, vertical spindle shaft end play should be adjusted so the end play is not more than the thickness of one shim, or 1/32-inch. A right steering backlash adjustment is dependent upon this one being made first. (PatB)

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Gr8Bald1

01-29-2007 22:25:42




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 Re: 51 B Steering Shim Dimensions in reply to Gr8Bald1, 01-29-2007 10:36:54  
Gentlemen, thanks for responding. Frank, you are right about the shims being the ones that control the vertical endplay of the steering shaft. When you say "those shims don't seem to make much of a difference", do you mean setting the endplay won't free up my steering much? I had the pedestal boiled out at a machine shop and put everything back together with fresh grease and I'm sure that except for the shims I put everything else back together properly. Besides the shims, can you think of anything else I can check while I have it opened up?

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F-I-T

01-30-2007 11:43:38




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 Re: 51 B Steering Shim Dimensions in reply to Gr8Bald1, 01-29-2007 22:25:42  
Yeah, what I meant was that when the wheels are on the ground, which is most of the time, except for when you are running over rough ground, the weight of the front end forces the shaft up until it rests on the thrust plate (later mdeols used a thrust bearing which would indeed be an improvement) in the bottom of the pedestal. That's what carries the weight. The shims are only used to decrease the amount that the shaft can fall if the wheels are ever in the air, which is rare, but during some in the field bouncing, a front end that has a lot of vertical play will clunk and knock. And that can be hard on the thrust parts as they can get hit with a pretty severe force.

The force it takes to turn that shaft is born entirely by that lower plate, washer, and bushing, so if you have the worm out, and you try to turn the front wheels by using a wrench on the top of the shaft, that force of the friction of the tires on the pavement and the drag of the thrust components. Now none of the manual steering tractors turn all that easily, but I would think a "B" with fully aired up tires (tighter, stiffer tires will make them turn much easier), plenty of grease, and good thrust parts should turn pretty decent, but none of them are a joy to turn when the tractor is sitting still. And now you know why power steering became such a popular option!

If you can get the shaft out, which is a treat because you either have to remove the pedestal so you can lay it down, or hoist the front end 6 feet into the air, you might want to have a look at the bottom end parts. They might be significantly worn and merit replacement, which will also provide you with an opportunity to grease things up really well.

Now, I would do the indicator measurement, and jack it up to see how far the shaft falls down. If it's a lot, you might even have one of those thrust parts knarled up and nearly digested down below, and it might be making it bind.

Frank

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MyrlfromPA

01-29-2007 11:02:41




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 Re: 51 B Steering Shim Dimensions in reply to Gr8Bald1, 01-29-2007 10:36:54  
The sector gear bushing is on an eccentric and a bolt holds it from turning. remove grease,find bolt,remove bolt and turn bushing till proper freeplay is achieved, reinstll bolt,grease and your done



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F-I-T

01-29-2007 11:24:40




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 Re: 51 B Steering Shim Dimensions in reply to MyrlfromPA, 01-29-2007 11:02:41  
I think he"s talking about the shims that control the vertical endplay of the steering shaft that runs from the sector gear to the wheels. Those shims go under the eccentric bushing, so their i.d. is to be just large enough to pass over the stub of the bushing that goes down into the bore. Since you have to remove the sector gear and then the bushing to install them, you might as well get started, then you can mike the bushing stub to fabricate your own shims. Set up a dial indicator on top of the steering shaft and set it to "0" with some preload, then jack the front wheels off the ground so the wheels and shaft fall down due to gravity, and you can read the clearance that you need to take up with shims. Leave a little bit clearance. Those shims don"t seem to make much of a difference, though, unless you travel frequently over rough ground since if the front wheels don"t spend much time in the air, you won"t see the shaft moving since it is always pressed upward against the lower thrust bearing. But, if you want to take up the slack, it can"t hurt. The gist is to keep the worm centered in the thickness of the sector so it is in full mesh left to right and up and down. Don"t forget to set the worm to sector contact at the extreme right or left where the wear is least, or it may bind when you turn it off of straight ahead and you might not be able to correct it back fast enough!

Frank

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