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Gerald J. and all: 3020 or 4020?

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Lee Smith

12-27-1999 21:33:24




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Been looking at some 4020's (avg=$10-12,000) in South Ga. Currently own a 66 3020 diesel 5300 hours, syncho range, 1 remote. 3020's avg=$6-8,500 Need to rebuild hydraulic and fuel injector pumps. Possible clutch replacement, leaking hrydro fluid around rear pto and steering wheel. Have to add 3/4qt engine oil each time before running all day(rear oil seal leak). Engine burns clean but will puff a little white smoke if idling too long when you thottle. Also need to replace wiring harness and 2 new rear tires. Send the 3020 into dealer for repairs or sell while still reasonablly running and get 71or72 4020 side console, synchro range, diff lock, and 2 remotes in better shape. Any thoughts on cost of 3020 repairs versus purchase of 4020 would be greatly appreciated. The extra hp would be needed for bushogging, haying, and dirtpanning. Lots of red clay, heavy brush, and tough bermuda grass down this way! Also looking to add a loader.

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Lee Smith

12-30-1999 06:07:58




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 Re: Gerald J. and all: 3020 or 4020? in reply to Lee Smith, 12-27-1999 21:33:24  
Thank you all for the comments. I figure to keep the 3020 and start repairs unless I come across a better deal. Both the 4020 and 3020 are high dollar items here in South GA. Not too many folks are buying the newer tractors so the demand for older models is greater. Again, thank you!



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Greg H.

12-29-1999 10:33:15




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 Re: Gerald J. and all: 3020 or 4020? in reply to Lee Smith, 12-27-1999 21:33:24  
It has been stated already, but alot of the problems with your 3020 are reasonabley easy to fix. Even if you rebuild, you could farm out the pump and the head, and go through the tractor replacing bearings and sleeve asemblies for less than 2500. { Depending on the cost of the pump rebuild }. If you defenatly need more power, than by all means get a 4020. But if you are are willing to live with the 3020, than it might be worth the cost difference just to fix it up. I would like to trade my 4020 Gas in on a Diesel Model, but I already have my Gas model working good, and would hate to start all over on a Diesel. " The Devil that is known is easier to deal with than the one unknown." Anything you get that is 30 years old is gonna need some work. Good Luck though. Greg H.

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Glenn

12-28-1999 09:42:38




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 Re: Gerald J. and all: 3020 or 4020? in reply to Lee Smith, 12-27-1999 21:33:24  
It looks like the 3020 needs at least $2000 of work at dealership prices, and then you'll still need $5-6,000 more to buy what you want in a 4020, totalling $7-8,000 for the upgrade. Pull the injector pump for rebuild at a diesel shop, have good used tires put on , and replace the PTO seal yourself. That will run about $900 around here. The tractor should then bring at least $4-$5000, unless the clutch and hydraulic pump are really bad, maybe more if they are working good enough for the price. Buy a 4020 in about the same condition as the 3020, and put your money into your new tractor.

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Gerald J.

12-28-1999 07:57:50




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 Re: Gerald J. and all: 3020 or 4020? in reply to Lee Smith, 12-27-1999 21:33:24  
I'm facing the same questions about an '86 Ford truck that isn't rusted, just the engine has developed a clatter that sounds unhealthy.

White smoke sounds like water/antifreeze leaking into a cylinder. Not healthy. I have no experience with rebuilding a 3020 diesel, so I don't have a cost estimate.

Going to side console 4020 ups the ante. Last year I was comparing 3020 and 4020 in central Iowa. Most of the 3020 for sale were grubby or very high hours and narrow front and missing 3 point arms. By going to a gas 4020 I got more tractor for my money though I did have to tune it a while with plugs, wires, timing, and carburetor parts. But I know gas engines, not diesel so that tuning wasn't a great problem.

It takes 12 or 15 hp to run the hydraulic pump in the PS transmission which I've heard truly hampers the 3020, but isn't so much of a pain with the extra two cylinders in the 4020.

The tach on my 4020 shows about 5200 hours, but when it developed charging problems last summer, it turned out to be that the generator pulley was worn until the sides were parallel, a sign of many more hours of operation. The engine bolt show its been apart since the engine was last painted. A new generator pulley fixed the charging and the engine doesn't consume any oil so my 35 hours a year should get a long lifetime of service.

3020 parts in the CT catalog:
clutch plate $70-132 (rebuilt)
pressure plate assembly $409-475 (rebuilt)
release bearing $9
Diesel sleeve assemblies $525-599
gasket set $166
Rod bearing set $45
Main bearing set $130-140
Valve set $270
Rebuilt head $576-675
Rebuilt hydraulic pump $700
They say they carry injection pumps too but don't list their prices.

There's several prices because there were two or three different diesel engines in the 3020. Engine casting numbers will be important when shopping for parts.

Looks to me as if the rebuild of the 3020 may cost nearly as much as the difference between it and the 4020, providing the 4020 doesn't need the same attention too soon. That's the rub.

My 4020 SR works fine with the MF-135 loader I adapted. Digs dirt like a bulldozer. I extended the loader valve controls with rods that are supported on the inner corner of the right fender and so are as convenient as a side console, but don't take up my one remote. So I don't have to take the loader off to plow or disk. I tapped into the 4020 hydraulics.

Gerald J.

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Terry

12-27-1999 23:34:39




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 Re: Gerald J. and all: 3020 or 4020? in reply to Lee Smith, 12-27-1999 21:33:24  
Lee , if your thinking about a loader, a PS trans will be much better on it. I figured 4020's would be cheaper than that in your neighborhood, your 3020 can be fixed up fairly easy, even the clutch is easy, the O-ring around the PTO shaft might just need replacing .
If you need the extra power, then the 4020 is the way, but consider this, a 4320 will bring less $ than a 4020, have about 30 more hp, heavier duty
but they were not available with powershift .
Terry.....

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Steve

12-27-1999 22:19:15




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 Re: Gerald J. and all: 3020 or 4020? in reply to Lee Smith, 12-27-1999 21:33:24  
Seems like you've answered your own question. If you need the extra horsepower, go for it. You could save a lot of cash by doing all the other work on the 3020 yourself, tho. At least you would know that tractor and not be buying unknown troubles. All the work you mentioned is not that technical, with the possible exception of the steering valve. The hyd. pump will probably be replaced by a rebuilt.

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