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BLinWMI

01-12-2007 19:40:52




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I don't get it, why do people have to give guys a hard time for asking questions? In my area, I would have to travel hundreds of miles to go to an auction to see a D for sale,and that is just to see one, so common sense would tell me that maybe I could ask people on here what they have seen one go for, or have one for sale for. The same thing goes for people asking about torque specs, I have the books for most letter tractors and my 60, but if for some chance I have to work on a 40, it would be pretty easy to ask a simple question on here, instead of running to the dealer or TSC to get a manual. I think it is courteous to tell a guy where and what manual that tractor would take but I am getting tired of the same people getting crappy about a guy just asking for some info. There are alot of us who don't need a book to tell how to take a 2 banger apart, it is not all that difficult if a person is bright enough to remember how it came apart. So please give a few of us that don't know everything a break, let the guys that really like helping, answer the questions you seem so tired of.

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Glen in TX

01-13-2007 17:59:18




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 Re: give the guy a break in reply to BLinWMI, 01-12-2007 19:40:52  
BLinMI, You apparently still got tail dragging because the 6030 didn't come with a 619 in it. Get over it. No one was wanting to jump on you about that before but state what we knew was correct. I saw a guy needing torque specs yesterday for his 620 and yes I had the I&T right I had been reading the night before and didn't mind answering his question for that after I saw all day the rest of you with probably the answers hadn't given him one yet and maybe that answer didn't suit you either. Yeah I picked on Sneaky Pete some and am sorry I did that.

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BLinWMi

01-13-2007 20:54:27




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 Re: give the guy a break in reply to Glen in TX, 01-13-2007 17:59:18  
LOL, you must have a great memory, that 6030 mistake was near a month ago. Since I was so quickly reeducated, I have gone back and talked to the old guy that missinformed me. He was at one time the owner of a dealership here in West Michigan. I had the priviledge of tapping his brain a number of years ago as he rebuilt a carb for me. I got to asking him about the 5020/6030s in the area. At that time I had a 5020, my uncle had a 6030 and the kid that was working for me at the time, his granddad had a 5020 only with A/C. I found out that these three tractors were the only ones of those models that dealership had sold in the day. He had told me the 6030/7520 came with a 619, which was why they were such monsters compared to the 5020/7020. I didn't question him since my uncles 6030 had a 619, but I have since found out the dairyman that owned the 6030 originally had thought the 531 wasn't horsey enough for the forage chopper he was running, so he had a 619 put in. Glen, I sure didn't mean a personal attack by my first post, my mamma raised me better than that. I just was trying to say that we all need to be nice to each other, not everyone knows they aren't asking a "complete" question. I truly appreciate the depth of wisdom the old timers in this discussion forum can provide us whipper snappers with. I wasn't even born when the New Generation series was in production but I live cows and plows. So anything I can learn about the Great Green Line, I absorb like a sponge. Its a bad habit I inherited from my grandpa. I would like to thank the guys who have the knowledge and are willing to share it with the rest of us. I wish we all could practice a few lines I remember from my FFA days, "Let us be diligent in labor, just in our dealings, courteous to everyone and above all, honest and fair in the game of life". Brian

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Glen in TX

01-13-2007 23:15:07




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 Re: give the guy a break in reply to BLinWMi, 01-13-2007 20:54:27  
BLinWMi, I'm glad you can laugh about it and didn't take offense either. I'm sorry if you did. Sounds like you had fun learning a lot about those tractors. We had a 6030 with 8500 hours or more on it when got rid of it and I put most those on it plus lots of time on 5010 before that plus several other New Generation tractors too so what would I know about them? lol. I wasn't expecting to start a brew ha on here either with my answer to Sneaky Pete but some take everything I say wrong so.... We have had several Ds and sold most of them now and they didn't bring squat when bought them for $70-$100 in the late 70s and early 80s saving them from the scrap man and I sold them all them too cheap now but know where plenty more are if someone really wants to pay $6000 for a mint one lol. Anyone that has ever actually tasted the pillow mint from that trick at camp without smelling it first remembers how bad one mint might really taste before you find the sweet one next time :)

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B-maniac

01-13-2007 19:26:16




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 Re: give the guy a break in reply to Glen in TX, 01-13-2007 17:59:18  
Glen in TX and P Browning , I've been down this same road on the paint and body forum. I have decided to leave the "loaded" questions to someone else. If I feel the least bit of frustration when reading their question , I will pass because they or others will probably not like my answer or the way it comes across. We don't have to help everybody. No one knows whether we read their question or not.

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P Browning

01-13-2007 13:19:32




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 Re: give the guy a break in reply to BLinWMI, 01-12-2007 19:40:52  
BLinWMI -- I owe you an apology -- I mis-addressed my post. It was to have been addressed to another. Please forgive me. (PatB)



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JDK

01-13-2007 11:04:20




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 Re: give the guy a break in reply to BLinWMI, 01-12-2007 19:40:52  
BLinWMI, while I do agree that the question could have definately included more info, I also agree with you about what you said about others on this website. 'Courtesy', and ability to leave questions alone that some find unacceptable, are not in some peoples best interest. Instead they will hammer on anyone who does not research the subject totally.(i.e. find the info elsewhere first). We must ask only questions that pass some sort of rule system set by a few readers here. You will not be forgiven or shown any leniency for not living up to their standards. I, for one was on the whipping post for inquiring about a serial number tag. I will not ask a question until the rule system explaining unacceptable/acceptable questions is posted here on this website. If I would have researched elsewhere, (which of course, I eventually ended up doing), I would have found out the answer to my question. In a nutshell, if anyone who does not totally understand something about John Deeres, they would be advised to go elsewhere. Glen, Browning, & BuickandDeere seemed to be the ones to monitor unacceptable questions like this. I'm not telling anyone what to do, just tread carefully and ignore these comments. I have learned a lot from reading these posts, and even from several of the people mentioned above. Just have to learn to ignore their quirks and qualms. Read, but dont ask. My opinion only. JDK.

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P Browning

01-13-2007 13:21:33




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 Re: give the guy a break in reply to JDK, 01-13-2007 11:04:20  
Wow! I don't quite know what to say here.

JDK -- Your rambling has left me breathless just trying to learn what you are saying. I think you should go back and read my post. The meat of what I said goes for any post -- if you want a quality answer, provide something for the responder to go on!

Another thing -- When you use my name in a post talk TO ME and not ABOUT me. You obviously have no idea how hard I have tried to help others, and to the length I have gone on my website to make available 24-7 data that so many often seek.

If I have a beef with a comment you make on the forum, I will write your name, and then say what I have to say. That is the norm. When you make a general sweeping remark and then list my name, you come across as someone sitting on the sidelines when in fact you don't even have a dog in the hunt!

You talk about courtesy -- I ask that you also exercise it! Have a bang up day! (PatB)

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JDK

01-13-2007 16:04:44




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 Re: give the guy a break in reply to P Browning, 01-13-2007 13:21:33  
P BROWNING.....

Oops. Another unacceptable post by me. It was not my intention to say you were not helpful on this site, or any other site. I have printed out some of your posts for my 'Deere' library. Sorry to offend you. I believe it is proper also to give an apology to Glen and BuickandDeere also.

BLinWMI.....

Can you see the 'rules' I am talking about in P BROWNING's post? Follow them. You will go places. Courtesy is a one-way street if we post something they decide was not proper. We must learn tractor-website-etiquette to participate without being verbally assaulted. Simple as that. They dont understand that its OK to start out with a simple question, and then digging into it deeper later with details, if need be. I DO understand what PB is saying and what the likes of him try to accomplish. But the fact that IF they don't have an answer, they don't seem to understand they can click to the next post. OR, just like your post was ALL ABOUT, simply "give the guy a break".

OK, I'm done rambling.

Anyone out there besides BLinWMI and the guy with the weird question know what I'm talking about here? Are we alone?? Maybe I AM WAY out of line. Oh well..... .... Write me.


Thanks, JDK.

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Glen in TX

01-13-2007 18:04:05




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 Re: give the guy a break in reply to JDK, 01-13-2007 16:04:44  
JDK, No offense taken from your post. I know we have got our paths crossed before too and I'm sorry about that. I think the cold and meds were making me grumpier and more ornery than usual last night too and some just don't like a honest answer from a Texan either lol. Glen



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P Browning

01-13-2007 17:09:48




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 Re: give the guy a break in reply to JDK, 01-13-2007 16:04:44  
JDK -- I am so sorry we got off on this tangent. We often let some little stinking no-account thing pull us off-topic, and that's where trouble lies.

I truly want to make this hatchet go away. If I have time, I do not mind writing an epistle in response to even the sorriest of questions. The troubling issue for me is usually time. There are so many things I want yet to do, but probably won't get to many of them. We try!

For you my friend, let's get back to tractoring, and to doing what we need to to leave some of this national treasure for decendents yet to be born! We just hope we don't go broke doing it, and that we do it safely. Have a Great Day! (PatB)

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JDK

01-13-2007 17:27:05




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 Re: give the guy a break in reply to P Browning, 01-13-2007 17:09:48  
P Browning, you are absolutely right. Again.

Back to tractoring.

I will be quiet now. I learn more that way.

Thank you.



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P Browning

01-13-2007 13:14:07




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 Re: give the guy a break in reply to JDK, 01-13-2007 11:04:20  
Wow! I don't quite know what to say here.

BLinWMI -- Your rambling has left me breathless just trying to learn what you are saying. I think you should go back and read my post. The meat of what I said goes for any post -- if you want a quality answer, provide something for the responder to go on!

Another thing -- When you use my name in a post talk TO ME and not ABOUT me. You obviously have no idea how hard I have tried to help others, and to the length I have gone on my website to make available 24-7 data that so many often seek.

If I have a beef with a comment you make on the forum, I will write your name, and then say what I have to say. That is the norm. When you make a general sweeping remark and then list my name, you come across as someone sitting on the sidelines when in fact you don't even have a dog in the hunt!

You talk about courtesy -- I ask that you also exercise it! Have a bang up day! (PatB)

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Glen in TX

01-12-2007 22:39:59




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 Re: give the guy a break in reply to BLinWMI, 01-12-2007 19:40:52  
Well with a handle like Sneaky Pete and asking the "what is it worth question" on here for the 1000th or more time this week he was asking a loaded question anyway. Take a scroll back the last few days and see how many times you have seen the what is this worth question asked this week alone! How can anyone tell what it is truly worth without a pic or best description of features or seeing it in person or hearing it run or knowing more info ?? Just the word "mint" can mean a lot of different things to different people too. The D was only built from 23-53 so lots of them out there with different features and changes but not much so on the 46 he asked about but enough I could ask several questions. Those options may be worth something to one guy and nothing to the next however. Yeah I understand they weren't in all areas. Sadly but truly many many Ds here in the plains area states have done gone off for scrap because no one wanted them because just a drawbar tractor with no hydraulics or a 3 point and some just had to be parted out to keep others going because the aftermarket never made much for Ds. Now everyone collecting wants one and thinks they are rare because none in their area so worth a lot of dough. $6000 may be what they have in the D and tells me they done paid too much for it for me but the next guy might jump right on it but I still haven't seen it either yet? $2500 to $3500 was a good price not long ago for a nice restored D but parts, tires, and everything has gone up so yeah I can see some asking more for them now and if you aren't willing to pay that then just keep looking. So.... What was your answer to this question??

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P Browning

01-13-2007 04:50:25




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 Re: give the guy a break in reply to Glen in TX, 01-12-2007 22:39:59  
I am coming down on the side of Glen in Tx on this one -- The problem I have with WHAT IS IT WORTH questions is that the one asking the question gives barely enough information to know the model much less its features. As a result, someone wanting to help has to write a book of this and that feature of the tractor, what to look for, and how to interpret what is seen.

It is just plain rude to toss a question out there and then make the respondent do all the tough work! I say that if you are looking for a worthwhile answer, put some meat into your post. This is true even if you are asking a general value question. State some specific data so a value or range of values can be arrived at. Learning how to post a picture and using that feature would be nice too! Bottom line -- Do some homework first.

All too often, the problem is one of emotions. The poster has already commited (mentally) to the buy, and wants so badly for someone to agree that he is doing okay. I've been involved in responding to one or two of those & it is frustrating to the responding person to see that the original poster does what he wants to anyway!

My 2 cents worth. (PatB)

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01-13-2007 17:27:12




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 Re: give the guy a break in reply to P Browning, 01-13-2007 04:50:25  
Mr. Browning, Your last paragraph is a gem!. Worth its weight in gold.



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01-12-2007 21:30:34




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 Re: give the guy a break in reply to BLinWMI, 01-12-2007 19:40:52  
Look at it this way. Anyone can take a 2 banger (or any other tractor or machine) apart without a book, but when putting it back together, not many will have the precise measurements, torque values, etc., committed to memory so the books WILL be needed. In the general sense, I agree with Glen. Pricing something over the internet is next to impossible even with a GOOD written description AND photos. Personally, I wouldn"t buy anything via the internet. Personal inspection is the only way and even then you can get burned. It is always buyer beware.

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