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50A clutch question for Kurt JD B or anyone

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Hig5060

01-04-2007 18:33:26




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I asked the other day about my A having trans. noise. I tore into it today and checked the first reduction gear bearings and they seemed good and tight to me. One thing I noticed when tearing apart was where the drive disc and the sliding drive disc mesh was worn pretty bad.Could this be the cause of my growling noise? It sounds like its coming from the trans. but I guess it could travel around. The first reduction gear and the one it meshes with look really good,just these two I mentioned are worn a lot. Thanks Oh yeah GR8Ball told me to check my brakes and I did and they didn't seem to be the problem.

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F-I-T

01-05-2007 09:46:02




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 Re: 50A clutch question for Kurt JD B or anyone in reply to Hig5060, 01-04-2007 18:33:26  
I'll offer my thoughts.

~~One thing I noticed when tearing apart was where the drive disc and the sliding drive disc mesh was worn pretty bad.Could this be the cause of my growling noise?

No. Once the clutch is engaged and the linings and plates are squeezed together, and the plate with the teeth jiggles into the position up against the driver teeth, there is no rattle. That clutch might rattle because of this when it is disengaged, but not when it is engaged and the pulley is turning.

~~It sounds like its coming from the trans. but I guess it could travel around.

Get a stethoscope or at least a length of garden hose and try isolating the noise a few different ways.

Is the noise there when the transmission is in neutral and the pulley stopped? That could point to a pulley idler bearing.

Noise there when transmission in neutral, pulley spinning? That could be the first reduction gear bearings as well as the counter shaft bearings or the bearing inside the sliding gear shaft drive. There is a bearing quill that is adjustable with shims on the right hand side. Sometimes a noise can be silenced by just re-setting the bearing preloads. Cone bearings are funny like that.

Jack both tractor wheels up and operate it in all speeds to see if the transmission is noisy in all gears, or just one gear or a pair of speeds. This could point to a Hi/Lo problem (I don't remember if you have that sort of transmission or not).

While the tractor is jacked up, stop one wheel and then the other using the brakes to see if any noises change. This could point towards brake pinion problems (very possible), axle bearings (unlikely), or too loose set differentital bearings (also shim adjustable).

I'd take my time and really diagnose whether it's a gear "whine", which you may not cure on a 60 year old machine without looking for some expensive new parts, or bearing growl, which is very different. Old pitted races and rollers growl as they gall up and continue to chew the plating off of each other. Maybe time to drain the rear end oil and look for metal sheen. flakes, and fragments in the oil. You'll know it when you see it.

Lots to do before you open it up.

Frank

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Sam in MN.

01-04-2007 19:52:49




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 Re: 50A clutch question for Kurt JD B or anyone in reply to Hig5060, 01-04-2007 18:33:26  
I just went thru the same problem on my 48-A. Came down to the bearing hole in the large case, that covers the 1st. reduction gear. That far right side (Outer) bearing that supports the 1st. reduction gear had a groove worn a groove into the case hole. Since the hole was larger than the bearing, the gear was allowed to wobble, causing a growling noise. It would resinate all along the right side and at times it seemed to be in the tranny.

Check that bearing support hole in the right casing and see if there is a groove worn into it where the bearing rides.

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mac hinery-man

01-04-2007 18:59:25




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 Re: 50A clutch question for Kurt JD B or anyone in reply to Hig5060, 01-04-2007 18:33:26  
barring chewed up bearings allowing the countershaft to drop partially out of mesh or damaged gear teeth, transmissions can develop noise from worn gear meshing. The crowns on the gear teeth wear till the teeth hit flat and then the noise sets in. The gear are no longer rolling but rather scrapping. The reduction gear is really bad about this due to the high speed. The bad thing is there is not much you can do as all the old parts will have this problem. I would check the counter shaft as this may have heavy wear. Good luck.

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