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60 Power Steering - What a pain

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John Deere 60

12-29-2006 11:15:26




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Last week we had to redo the rebuild on my brothers power steering on his 60. We had to lap the steel plate and the two end pieces for they were leaking due to warpage over time. Then I made a .001" gasket for each surface and put it back together. That was the easy part. That pump mounted behind the fan was a pain to get out. We had to take the hood and gas tank off and then drain the coolant and disconnect the radiator and slide it ahead slightly to get it out of there. The IT manual said you should be able to get it out with the radiator in there but we couldn't do it without rubbing against the brand new radiator core. I must say this was a royal pain. Is there a better way to get the pump out? What is the deal with having the gas tank and hood as one unit. Someone should dig up and slap the engineer who thought of that. Having not grown up with John Deere 2 cylinder tractors I never gave them much thought. I will say I have less respect for the John Deere Design as now having worked on one. Everything on my 400 and my 450 farmalls is easy to get at even the clutch with having to split the tractor is only 1-1.5 hours to get it apart. His is a nice tractor and I like the way they lug down when you pull them but I doubt I'll ever own one. And all you people you are thinking of making a stupid statement like "That's cause John Deere's never break down", the rest of us are thinking "Shhhhh Your so pretty just don't say anything." Also, try telling that to my brother who had an 8400 motor blow up with less than 1000 hours on it because the cam gear turned on the cam shaft enough to break a couple valves off and you can imagine what happens in a cylinder when that happens.

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machinery-man

12-29-2006 18:36:37




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 Re: 60 Power Steering - What a pain in reply to John Deere 60, 12-29-2006 11:15:26  
I"d like have a stop watch and say go and see the 20 minute removal. Also would like to see the wrench that loosens that packing nut from the the bottom of the sheetmetal. Also the wrench that spins that flexible line loose. I"ve worked on many of these and guess I"ve missed the boat entirely. You can barely get the fan belt off between the shroud and fan and I"d like to see the sheet metal slid in the opening. It may be able to be done, I"ve just never seen it or heard of it before tonight. There isn"t suppose to be any gasket only sealer on the metal.

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Mike M

12-30-2006 05:19:49




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 Re: 60 Power Steering - What a pain in reply to machinery-man, 12-29-2006 18:36:37  
I wonder ? if that 20 min. removal goes something like this--- Wheel torch over to tractor ,light torch,proceed to cut everything out of the way and remove pump. Yep 20 min. sounds about right. LOL I've seen that method used on a few JD H's hoods for some reasons.



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Mike M

12-29-2006 15:38:50




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 Re: 60 Power Steering - What a pain in reply to John Deere 60, 12-29-2006 11:15:26  
Your right ! There's alot of stuff on a 2cyl. that is a pain. You will never hear me say they a easy to work on or simple. It takes a special kinda people. Nothing else will pull in the field like they do. And with proper care and maintenance they served their owners well.



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BDM

12-29-2006 15:11:41




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 Re: 60 Power Steering - What a pain in reply to John Deere 60, 12-29-2006 11:15:26  
Knocking a JD based on that? Weak, very weak. I own nothing but Farmalls, but love most makes & models. They all have good & bad points when compared. Looking to get my own "popper" next spring. Several friends own JDs. I find them just as easy, and sometimes far easier to work on(as in the clutch).

These old machines are as simple as simple gets. Try working on a Northstar Cadi, then I'll feel for ya!

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DSK

12-29-2006 15:04:52




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 Re: 60 Power Steering - What a pain in reply to John Deere 60, 12-29-2006 11:15:26  
I can understand the frustration you're conveying in your message, the first time I took one of these apart years ago I felt the same way. Part of the problem is the I&T manual, they're OK if all you need is specs, but they tend to be a little vague and make procedures sound straight forward & simple when really they're not. The JD manuals are much more detailed and thorough. As for getting the pump out in 20 minutes and not having to move the radiator, I've never been able to do that and I have also done a few of these. I agree that the Farmalls are easier to work on because of there conventional design. The 2-Cyl. JD was a unique design produced for over 30 years, and as the differant models evolved, they became more complicated with all the options engineered into the tractor. I really believe this is why Deere decided to start with a "clean sheet of paper" When they set out to design the New Generation of tractors...the tractors that were to ultimately put IHC, MM, Oliver and all the rest out of business. The unique design, sound and performance of the 2-cyl. JD is what keeps them ahead of the pack in terms of resale value and brand loyalty 50 years later. I could think of a few things the engineers at IH could be slapped for as well,(560 rearends). To each his own.

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55 50

12-29-2006 12:16:52




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 Re: 60 Power Steering - What a pain in reply to John Deere 60, 12-29-2006 11:15:26  
Who did the "rebuild" you speak of? Pretty obvious they didn't know what they were doing if they put a pump back together that leaked! Also a gasket is not needed between those pump surfaces. Aviation Permatex spread very thinly will do the sealing. The original repair manual says to use shellac.



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Doug in IL

12-29-2006 11:39:39




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 Re: 60 Power Steering - What a pain in reply to John Deere 60, 12-29-2006 11:15:26  
The IT manual is corret. Power steering pump removal is a 20 minute job on those. I have rebuilt a lot of those pumps. Never unbolted a radiator or removed a hood or fuel tank. You do need to cover the radiator core with a flat piece of sheetmetal to prevent damage to it. I suspect the new radiator core you have may be thicker than the OEM core. A clutch rebuild on a 60 is about a 30 to 45 minute job.

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