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2010 fuel problem (gas)

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Double M

12-28-2006 16:30:58




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I know this should be simple but I"m at a loss. My 2010 has a fuel starvation problem. It will start and run fine for a while (varies from 2 -3 minutes to 2 - 3 hours). Then it shuts down. I can see inside the filter that there is not any gas. If I let it sit a minute or two the filter fills up and the tractor will run again. I have cleaned the strainer, checked the flow through the cut off, replaced the line and filter. Rerouted the line away from engine heat. What else is there? Should I install a fuel pump?

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JWD

01-01-2007 13:52:50




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 Re: 2010 fuel problem (gas) in reply to Double M, 12-28-2006 16:30:58  
Did you have any luck? I checked everything from carb to lines. Took off sediment bowl drained it, put it back on and switched open the fuel valve. Started right up, but since I had changed the oil late last night in it I forgot to really tighten down the oil filter and saw oil seeping out around it so I shut her off, tighted it and tried to start it again. No luck..it is like there is something blocking the fuel SOMEWHERE. Hope you had better luck.

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Bob

12-28-2006 17:01:58




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 Re: 2010 fuel problem (gas) in reply to Double M, 12-28-2006 16:30:58  
Looks like there is a tank vent... could your's be clogged? (Key #'s 11 and 12 extend the vent down, away from the tank.) (Is this the correct diagram for your tractor, and is it still set up like this... with NO additional filter, some of which don't work well in a gravity system?)

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Otherwise, there must be a piece of crud blocking the fuel flow intermittantly at the tank fitting, the sediment bowl, or one of the elbows.

(Are you SURE the carb runs out of gas, and you're not loosing spark?)

(Be safe while doing this)... Remove the carburetor bowl drain plug, and see how well the gas flows into a catch bucket... there should be a quick flow of about 1/2 cup or so of gas, as the bowl drains, then a steady flow, as the gas flows into the carb through the inlet valve needle and seat. It's hard to quantify that flow, but it must be enough to sustain the engine at full speed/load.

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Double M

12-28-2006 18:19:29




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 Re: 2010 fuel problem (gas) in reply to Bob, 12-28-2006 17:01:58  
Bob,

WOW! I'm impressed. I didn't know it was possible to post drawings like that.
1. Mine is not set up that way, someone probably changed it long before I got it. In fact it doesn't even have a sediment bowl on it. The fuel line connects to the cut off valve which is integral with the strainer. Then runs to an aftermarket filter located 2 inches from where the line goes into the carb.
2. I have not seen a tank vent like the one in the drawing. I have tried running it with the cap off and it does not seem to make a difference.
3. I'm certain it's a fuel problem. I have checked the flow with the engine off. To do this I disconnected the line from the carb and there seems to be plenty of flow. It is as if the engine is using more than is available. In fact when the engine starts to show signs of cutting out I can watch the fuel level in the filter diminish until there is none visible just as the engine dies.
4. I did flush the tank when I removed the strainer/cut off valve.

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John VB

12-29-2006 05:30:10




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 Re: 2010 fuel problem (gas) in reply to Double M, 12-28-2006 18:19:29  
If the fuel level in the filter starts to drop, the filter is not getting enough fuel. Check everything between the filter and the tank. Make sure you have good flow up to the point of the filter.



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Bob

12-28-2006 19:11:31




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 Re: 2010 fuel problem (gas) in reply to Double M, 12-28-2006 18:19:29  
Likely, the in-line filter isn't working well on the gravity system. It's a pleated paper element, right?

(The diagram is linked from JDPARTS, and I didn't notice a serial # break with the vent system. I have a 2010 in the shop right now, but it's a diesel, so looking at it's fuel system won't prove anything.)

Can you go to a sediment bowl sytem like it originally had?

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Double M

12-28-2006 19:18:04




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 Re: 2010 fuel problem (gas) in reply to Bob, 12-28-2006 19:11:31  
I think the sediment bowl set up is the right thing to do. Any idea where to get the parts?



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Bob

12-28-2006 19:27:21




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 Re: 2010 fuel problem (gas) in reply to Double M, 12-28-2006 19:18:04  
Deere still has the sediment bulb (# AR51418) @ nearly $55.00, but I would think a local farm supply store, or internet site (perhaps this very one) would have them a bit more reasonbly priced!

The tank shutoff valve, # AT36766, is still available, too, as well as at least some of the lines and fittings.



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Double M

12-28-2006 19:32:35




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 Re: 2010 fuel problem (gas) in reply to Bob, 12-28-2006 19:27:21  
Thanks



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JWD

12-28-2006 17:01:24




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 Re: 2010 fuel problem (gas) in reply to Double M, 12-28-2006 16:30:58  
I am having this problem also but now mine won't start. It cranks over fine and put a couple of gallons of fresh gas in but to no avail. I'm thinking of checking the lines and replacing the bowl. Any suggestions would help.



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Loren NC

12-29-2006 00:06:01




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 Re: 2010 fuel problem (gas) in reply to JWD, 12-28-2006 17:01:24  
Your problem sounds a bit different to me from the one the poster has, since you have a sediment bowl and he does not. In your case I would check something else. I have a 1010 so am not positive yours is set up the same, but look at the point where the line goes into the carb. Should be a large brass fitting there. Screw it out and I'll bet you will find a fine-mesh screen inside the carb. On my tractor, that screen was completely plugged with what looked like cottony crud. I VERY CAREFULLY picked it out and the tractor ran like a charm again.

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JWD

01-01-2007 13:37:09




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 Re: 2010 fuel problem (gas) in reply to Loren NC, 12-29-2006 00:06:01  
Thanks for the information...I did check the fitting there and there was no mesh... checked the carb and choke...took the sediment bowl off and wiped it out and checked fuel flow from the tank line to bowl and shut off and it flowed fine. Put he bowl back on and turned the fuel valve on and thought I would give it a shot. Lordy, it started right up and ran for about a minute till I saw oil leaking out around the oil filter so I shut it off. I forgot I changed oil last night and did not have filter on real tight. Anyway I fixed that and tried to start it again and it would'nt start. Any ideas? Thanks

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Double M

12-28-2006 18:23:16




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 Re: 2010 fuel problem (gas) in reply to JWD, 12-28-2006 17:01:24  
Did your problem start out like mine and progress to the point it is at now? I ask because mine seems to be getting worse.



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JWD

12-29-2006 04:11:45




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 Re: 2010 fuel problem (gas) in reply to Double M, 12-28-2006 18:23:16  
Yes as a matter of fact it did. Another poster said to check the mesh screen and I plan to do this this afternoon.



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john IH

12-28-2006 16:50:45




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 Re: 2010 fuel problem (gas) in reply to Double M, 12-28-2006 16:30:58  
i had same problem with my 2010. i had dirt in the gas tank.



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