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John Bouchard

12-24-2006 04:57:24




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Started this ponyn motor recently for the first time. Though compression seems ok this smoked like a 2 cycle motor. Am I looking at a motor tear down and rings or should I run it like that for a while to see if it will get better? Do stuck rings really ever loosen themselves?




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JD green

12-27-2006 21:21:57




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 Re: JD 720 pony motor in reply to John Bouchard, 12-24-2006 04:57:24  
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JDgreen

12-27-2006 20:51:36




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 Re: JD 720 pony motor in reply to John Bouchard, 12-24-2006 04:57:24  
You really are a dipshit like most people say!!!



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JD green

12-27-2006 20:54:52




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 Re: JD 720 pony motor in reply to JDgreen, 12-27-2006 20:51:36  
Puke and Beer that is



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WeirdDeere

12-24-2006 10:02:06




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 Re: JD 720 pony motor in reply to John Bouchard, 12-24-2006 04:57:24  
Smoke like a two cycle? Yep, sounds like a pony!

The others covered it pretty well. Make sure it's got good oil, good gas (a clean tank helps). I've had good luck with the Champion J8C plugs. And make sure you have spark on all four cylinders...they will run on two...I did this when I broke one of the coil wires, and didn't really notice except for "rough" running! Make sure your fuel shutoff works and doesn't let gas drip by while sitting.

Parts for ponies can be expensive, but a ring job isn't too bad. When you start messing with the crank and new pistons, then you spend money. I rebuilt my 70 pony for around a grand, rings, welded crank, main bearings, and head work...which isn't bad considering a 50 year old engine that will now outlast me. If the compression is good, you probably have worn out valve guides, making it smoke.

If you can live with the smoke, I'd leave it alone and just run it. Just make sure you've got good oil pressure too. And since it's been sitting, get the waterpump off, and get new seals (and probably a shaft) in it NOW. Before you get problems with coolant in oil. That is what killed mine, and has happened to many more than me.

If you've got a decent pony, it is well worth it to keep it vs spending money to convert to electric start. A big starter, wiring, batterys, etc easily adds up to a rebuilt pony, and you won't have a rig job.

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dale in nd

12-24-2006 09:17:01




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 Re: JD 720 pony motor in reply to John Bouchard, 12-24-2006 04:57:24  
I grew up on a 1957 720, the pony never started very good, after 30 years of that I took a lawn mower gas tank,mounted it high and the pony motor started every time. what do guys think? Dale



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Scott Griffith

12-24-2006 12:56:37




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 Re: JD 720 pony motor in reply to dale in nd, 12-24-2006 09:17:01  
Dale,

I recently put some new fittings on my pony motor carb and when I re-attached the fuel line it had a big arch in the middle that went up near the top of the fuel tank level. Well, I couldn't get the pony motor started, so I moved the fitting to where the fuel line went straight from the bottom of the tank to the fitting at the fuel shut-off and now it starts up fine. It wasn't getting fuel due to trapped air in the line. So maybe you have something like that going on.

Scott

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Dan in Ohio

12-24-2006 08:24:51




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 Re: JD 720 pony motor in reply to John Bouchard, 12-24-2006 04:57:24  
John, Do like scott recommends first and do some routine things like changing the oil and putting in fresh spark plugs (J8C). I have two 70 D's and they both smoke to some degree. Recently FIT has been recommending bypassing the ignition resistor by placing a jumper between the starter post and the distributor post. This modification has made my troublesome pony run like a new one. Look for posts from FIT and Blacksmok or just search pony for more info.

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Scott Griffith

12-24-2006 06:10:33




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 Re: JD 720 pony motor in reply to John Bouchard, 12-24-2006 04:57:24  
Sometimes you can drain the oil and replace it with fresh oil and a lot of the smoking will stop. It depends on why it is smoking. If you are getting fuel in the oil from the carb or fuel shut off then it is getting thinned down and not doing what oil should do. Do you have the fuel shut-off valve and lever on the left hand side of the dash? Does it work? The diaphrams that are attached to the carburetor may be leaky and need to be replaced. If memory serves this is also called the fuel shut-off. I'm sure someone else will correct me if I'm wrong. If your fuel shut-off lever works, then use it to shut the engine down. This will tell you if it works and also drain the leftover fuel out of the line and carb and keep it from contaminating your oil. If I can help you further, then send me an email.

Scott

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Kenney

12-24-2006 05:47:57




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 Re: JD 720 pony motor in reply to John Bouchard, 12-24-2006 04:57:24  
Don't know what you are doing ( Working tractor--Restoration ) But I would convert it to electric start. It will cost you less than rebuilding a pony motor. It is your choice. Just a thought.



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buickanddeere

12-25-2006 08:13:52




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 Re: JD 720 pony motor in reply to Kenney, 12-24-2006 05:47:57  
B.S. The starting engine is running so it isn't in that bad of shape. Every figure the cost of two new 1200CCA batteries every 2-4 years for an electric start? Ever do a search on this and other JD sites about wiring? There is always some totally confused tinkerer who has made lots of smoke & sparks. And they can't get the tractor to crank or charge. They eventually give up and either pull start the tractor, park it in a corner or sell the 1/2 baked mess. Ever go through and price every little piece for a proper electric start? It isn't a $79.99 starter, $29.99 alternator and a $59.99 battery from Nappa. Odds are that starting engine will be fine with new un-dilluted engine oil, proper air-fuel ratio, a 100% cleaned and rebuilt carb, 100% cleaned fuel tank/lines and firing all four 473 Autolite plugs. Can't hurt to check the oil drain hole in each cylinder head too. Can't hurt to put a new seal on the water pump drive. They will sooner or later let coolant into the crankcase and that's what makes a rebuild $$$ after it blows up.

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John Hurran

12-28-2006 23:45:07




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 Re: JD 720 pony motor in reply to buickanddeere, 12-25-2006 08:13:52  
Your still a criticising idiot as allways dipsh!t



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