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James Howell

11-06-2006 15:56:51




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While mowing yesterday, my 43B wanted to stall when making a 90 degree angle crossing over a terrace. It ran good for 30 � 45 minutes with no problem. I started mowing up and across another terrace and it stopped running as if out of gas. I got it restarted, folded up the #5 sickle mower, and drove the tractor down hill towards the tractor shed. It stopped running again on a very slight incline as if out of gas. It backfired several times while trying to restart. I was not able to get it started again.

The exhaust pipe is always covered with coffee can when not in use. The air stack covered with work sock when not in use � no crawlers or flyers in air stack.

The carb was professionally rebuilt a few months ago. The Load set at 1 counter-clockwise turn. The Idle set at 1 � counter-clockwise turn.

It has a new 3 way valve. The lever rod was up to �F�. There was gas to carb. I put in 5 gallons of fresh gas before starting.

Removed each spark to check for spark while cranking. There was spark on both plugs. I did not remove and check to plugs.

No choke, clutch disengaged, and throttle full open when cranking.

Any ideas or suggestions will be welcomed and appreciated.

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johns48b

11-07-2006 20:18:39




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 tractor missing in reply to James Howell, 11-06-2006 15:56:51  
look down in the tank real good sounds like you may have had something in your five gal can and poured it ito the tank or you may have had some water in the bucket or tank. let it set and settle down over night and look down in the tank to see if you can see what looks like air bubbles floating around in it. if you do thats water. i had some guys lose my filler cap to my tractor once and they used paper towels to plug the hole with. they got down in the tank and you talk about a mess to get out. it was on a 574 ih diesel with tanks on both sides and the paper got in both sides and the tank had to be removed and flushed out.

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P Browning

11-06-2006 20:01:06




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 Re: 43B dies on terrace... in reply to James Howell, 11-06-2006 15:56:51  
James -- This is a challenge. My first question was to ask which way the tractor was tilted when it died, flywheel side lowest or vise versa. But then as I read on down, you indicated that now you aren't able to get it started again!

We have to go back to basics here. Two things: (1) go to the JD-H Restoration Site and do some reading. Choose first CARBURETORS. And then, go to ELECT SYSTEMS. Within Elect Systems, starting on about page 6, you find some guidelines for troubleshooting a magneto-based ignition system. Just relax and take in whatever you can there.

Now, at the tractor, if she is getting fuel and spark and has compression the engine should at least kick. Again, we are assuming a bit here -- that the engine hasn't jumped time because this is not likely! Oh, you may have the plug wires crossed, but even with that, there should be some popping or attempts to fire. I suppose you could switch them and try starting to see if it makes a difference, but even this scenario of failure in the field is not likely to be caused by wires crossed. So let us kind of rule out timing for a bit.

Starting the engine -- put transmission into neutral and engage the clutch. This is the safe way. Set throttle control so that the throttle lever atop the carburetor appears about midway in its travel, close the choke and then crank. At the first fire, quickly unchoke the engine (open the choke) and the engine will normally come up in this manner.

The basics once again -- if there is no fire during the first three or four pulls of the flywheel (about two rev's) when using the starting routine above, stop and pull a spark plug -- smell it to sense for gasoline. Seeing none, the engine is not getting fuel. Failure to get fuel could be a hanging float needle valve or a wrong setting of the float level. After the fule vales have been open for a half minute or more, back out the IDLE needle from the carb to see if the end is wet with fuel -- as a short test. See Duane Larson's post for a more formal way of checking float level.

If, on the other hand, there IS gasoline on the plug, we go right to checking (once again) for spark at the plugs.

There are so many ways to test this here. One is to remove the plug, re-attach the plug wire from the magneto, set (or hold) the grounded part of the plug on the engine block or frame & crank to see if there is fire. If this test fails & you have a spare plug around, open the gap up to between 0.050 and 0.060 inch and repeat test. If good energy is being delivered by the magneto and plug wire, you will have a nice blue jumper! Failing this test, now would be a good time to try an alternate plug wire! Failing all these tests takes you to the magneto!

You mentioned you had the carburetor "professionally rebuilt". With some of the horror stories we have been seeing lately, that statement does not give me a warm feeling! Assuming you do get the engine running again, try the no-wrench test found on the last page of CARBURETORS in the article referenced above. If the carburetor's IDLE & LOAD paths are okay, your carb will pass both tests. There is a third pathway in the carb that is hard to test for, and that is the bowl vent & economizer pathway system. But we hold that one for later. Try to let some of this work for you, and after some experimentation, please post back. (PatB)

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Duane Larson

11-06-2006 19:55:52




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 Re: 43B dies on terrace... in reply to James Howell, 11-06-2006 15:56:51  
James,
If the other ideas don't solve your problem, I would check the fuel level in the carb bowl. Go to a hardware store and get a 1/8 NPT hose barb and a foot or so of plastic tubing which will fit over the barb. Remove the bowl drain from the carb bowl and replace it with the hose barb. Put the plastic tubing on the barb and hold it alongside the fuel bowl. Turn on the fuel and the fuel will rise in the plastic tube to the level in the carb bowl. It should be 3/4" down from the top of the bowl casting. If not, the float level needs to be reset.

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Kurt_JDB

11-06-2006 19:25:53




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 Re: 43B dies on terrace... in reply to James Howell, 11-06-2006 15:56:51  
Might try checking the points.

Kurt



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DickD

11-06-2006 17:17:34




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 Re: 43B dies on terrace... in reply to James Howell, 11-06-2006 15:56:51  
James; One thing you might check is your sediment bowl. It sounds like it might be getting some water when it is on uneven ground.



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F-I-T

11-06-2006 18:06:45




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 Re: 43B dies on terrace... in reply to DickD , 11-06-2006 17:17:34  
Good point! Also, check for a birds feather or other trash that is gas laden and rolling around on the bottom of the tank intermittently blocking the fuel flow. I use an old neon type timing light that I tape to the hood when trying to diagnose problems like this. When it starts to miss or falter, just look at the light and if it flashes to the bitter end, it's not a spark problem.

Frank



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135 Fan

11-07-2006 20:54:40




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 Re: 43B dies on terrace... in reply to F-I-T, 11-06-2006 18:06:45  
It needs air to breath as well. Check the air cleaner. It may have sucked something in that is choking it. Just another suggestion. Dave



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