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JD B Painting Questions

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aggiejon

09-29-2006 09:01:19




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I may be about to open a can of worms here but...
I am about to begin restoring a '44 B and need someone to tell me their experience with using bc/cc for parts other than the tin. Can you use the base/clear on cast parts (engine block, frame, rear end housing, radiator, etc.) and it hold up, or are those parts best covered with single-stage enamel.

Thanks. I've read all the paint posts in the other forums, but have not seen this question specifically addressed.

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aggiejon

10-03-2006 08:41:19




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 Re: JD B Painting Questions in reply to aggiejon, 09-29-2006 09:01:19  
Thanks for the input guys. I am not entirely worried about the paint not looking rough on the cast parts, mainly concerned about the paint sticking to the cast. never bc/cc'ed cast metal before. I will most likely go with the bc/cc. I"ll try and catalogue all the steps of restoration on my website.



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john dear

10-01-2006 08:10:58




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 Re: JD B Painting Questions in reply to aggiejon, 09-29-2006 09:01:19  
Funny how some answers always seem to turn into a book advertisement!

Our Unstyled B is BC/CC. At least all the green is, casting, radiator, sheetmetal and all. I didn't paint it according to any book or magazine but it did make it on the cover of Belt Pulley. The tractor has been pulled, racked hay, and paraded for 2 years and still looks as good as when it was sprayed. As the professionals have told you, just make sure you use a 'system' so everything is compatable and doesn't peel off later.

I don't mind bashing Synthol Enamel a little bit. I have two "working" tractors that were painted with SE and hardener. Within 3 years they looked 50 years old again. Sunshine is a terrible thing on SE. Paint is faded and powdered. Have other stuff painted with urethane that has spent just as much time in the sun and still looks good. Urethane is worth the extra $50. There are plenty of companies out there selling JD Green(s) in urethane enamel for under $50 a gallon. Many of the high dollar paint companies have a "house" brand for the home folks that is much more reasonable in price. Might need 3 coats instead of 2. At any rate, stick with one company and their system for bare metal to top coat and you will be less apt to have a strange reaction. "And wear a resperator!"

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danny458

09-30-2006 13:50:20




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 Re: JD B Painting Questions in reply to aggiejon, 09-29-2006 09:01:19  
Okay, maybe not a can of worms, but can of thick paint!



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B-maniac

09-29-2006 17:44:58




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 Re: JD B Painting Questions in reply to aggiejon, 09-29-2006 09:01:19  
You are not opening a can of worms! There are a lot of ways to paint a tractor,we allready know that.Your question is about ONE of those ways.Pretty simple,and doesn't require a lot of argueing from anybody.



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B-maniac

09-29-2006 17:38:59




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 Re: JD B Painting Questions in reply to aggiejon, 09-29-2006 09:01:19  
My '50 "B" is BC/CC on all the green and single stage on the yellow. Been painting 35 yrs professionally. Clear coat does not know whats at the bottom. As long as you use the required "system" to get from the base metal up to the base and the clear,you will NOT have any problems. I believe what you may have heard in the past is to not use BC/CC on cast because it will shine too much and the cast won't have thatrough look to it. What happens is this. Some have applied their epoxy,then a few coats of primer surfacer,then sanded the surfacer(because you have to)then thier base coat(2 coats) then two or three coats of clear. Let's face it,we all know that the thicker the film build,the less durable the paint job.Just put on one good coat of epoxy,enough color to completely hide and then one coat of clear. It will still look like cast,but by doing the complete tractor the same,it will always age the same. I BC/CC everything because it is such a fool proof and easy way to get a state of the art job that will last forever.Another reason,price out a gallon of color against a gallon of clear! I used exactly 2 quarts of green on my "B". Base color is ultra high solids,doesn't take much to cover. The other reason I use it is in the auto bussiness it's the only way you can match paint when the Ins' co. doesn't pay you to paint the whole car just because you replaced a fender.Won't go into it all here.It is my opinion that any bad experiences you hear about pertaining to BC/CC are from the "chemists" that insist on mixing and matching different brands of catylist and clear and color because someone told them that it was cheaper and worked for them. Happens all the time,just read paint and body forum,you will see. As far as shine goes,single stage will shine the same as BC/CC if both are sprayed properly.BC/CC is just more user-friendly and cheaper.Remember, we are talking urethanes here.Some will argue that it is all overkill for a tractor,and that plain old synthetic enamel is plenty good. They maybe right,assuming the tractor will never see sun,rain,gasoline,bird droppings,fallen leaves that bake in the sun etc. At the end of your question you said single stage enamel.The first part of your question said BC/CC. Since BC/CC refers to urethanes,I will assume that you meant single stage urethane and not single stage enamel. Just do it all the same,that paint don't know the difference between sheet metal or cast.Good Luck on your "B",I'm sure it will look great.Keep us posted.

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P Browning

09-30-2006 17:57:59




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 Re: JD B Painting Questions in reply to B-maniac, 09-29-2006 17:38:59  
B-Maniac -- I haven't been painting 35 years professionally, but here's something for you to consider. I finished the restoration on my JD-HN tractor in September 2004, but due to various circumstances, not until this September did I manage to operate the tractor in the local County Fair Parade and enter it into a judging arena afterwards. Now, here is a two-year old restoration using only genuine John Deere SE paint with a touch of hardener -- having had two years of hobby use to include many drives by grandkids and yet had the "stuff" to earn BEST OF SHOW! And in the arena were two other tractors that looked like a million bucks, clear coat and all! Needless to say, you could have blown me over with a feather, but these are the facts. (PatB)

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B-maniac

09-30-2006 19:20:57




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 Re: JD B Painting Questions in reply to P Browning, 09-30-2006 17:57:59  
Pat B. Congratulations,my hat goes off to you. Not once in my answer to him about clear-coat on cast do I bad-mouth synthetic enamel , and yet you seem to get all defensive as if I had. His question was specifically about clear coat on cast.I told him my experience with it and as far as I can see that's all he wanted to know. I did discourage him from painting the sheet metal with one system and another for the cast because of obvious color and ageing differences. Yes,I have given my opinion of synthetic enamel on other ocasions on this forum,but in answering his post,he didn't ask nor did I give an opinion on synthetic enamel. He asked about clear and I told him. Again,congratulations on your Best of Show award. Everyone gets there in a different way. It's the fact that you GOT there that counts. The fact that it was a John Deere makes it that much nicer yet.

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P Browning

09-30-2006 23:06:56




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 Re: JD B Painting Questions in reply to B-maniac, 09-30-2006 19:20:57  
B-Maniac -- Thanks for the kudos -- I reckon its all in the care one takes. With painting -- I kind of believe up to 98% of the outcome is in preparation. Patience plays a role too. But I have to tell you -- I sure was pleasantly surprised! Thanks again. Have a great day (PatB)



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P Browning

09-29-2006 14:49:14




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 Re: JD B Painting Questions in reply to aggiejon, 09-29-2006 09:01:19  
Just to let you know -- I painted my John Deere Model HN precisely in accord with instructions contained in the JD-H Restoration Guide, and on this day, in New Braunfels, Texas at the Comal County Fair, my tractor was awarded BEST OF SHOW! For more information on the book, check in at the JD -H Restoration Site (below). (PatB)

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danny458

09-29-2006 13:43:51




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 Re: JD B Painting Questions in reply to aggiejon, 09-29-2006 09:01:19  
Oh ya, you opened a can of worms alright.



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