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70D

09-21-2006 14:59:42




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I need some help with the power trol on My 70D I put beakaway coupings on the side of the power trol but My cylinder will only work one way I used the dummy plugs that came with the tractor(AA 4981 R) but I was looking in the parts book and they have a plug list as (AA 5724 R) Valve assembly do I need this to make My breakaway work I hope this is clear




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70D

09-22-2006 16:31:56




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 Re: power trol in reply to 70D, 09-21-2006 14:59:42  
I'am not sure about this but I tought My Dad use to use the meter valve that is on the powertrol itself to shut the rockshaft off I would ask Him but He Is no longer around any replies are helpfull



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buckeye al

09-21-2006 15:36:34




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 Re: power trol in reply to 70D, 09-21-2006 14:59:42  
Yes the special plug is required to make double acting use of the side (pipe plug) ports.

That's because one of the rear ports delivers oil to the rock shaft cylinder when it is fitted with what you call the dummy plug. The other port dumps oil back into the reservoir and as such does not deliver any pressure out the pipe plug port. The dummy plugs are both open forward into the tractor, one to the rockshaft, the other to the reservoir.

If memory serves me right, the lower port will work the remote but ONLY after the rockshaft has reached the end of its stroke. The upper port needs to be equipped with the valve type of plug mentioned in the parts listing. Might be backwards on that.

I have had bad luck using the arrangement you're trying to build. I have one of the special plugs and when used for double acting remote service, the rockshaft is still in service. Unfortunately shock loads on the remote cylinder (plow tire dropping into a rut or furrow for example) cause abnormally high pressures in the rochshaft cylinder. These abnormal pressures caused repeated failure of either the gasket between the rockshaft cylinder and the basic housing or the rockshaft piston cup. Had this same luck with more than one tractor!

My solution was to install regular remote cylinder hose end plugs in the ports. Then using ST ells and short pieces of hose plumbed them to the quick attach couplings. I mounted the couplings in a break away bracket mounted where the original coupling storage bracket was bolted to the left side of the power-trol valve housing. Now when my old break away plow unitches, I don't loose oil, don't break hoses and I've not had a blown rockshaft piston cup or rockshaft gasket in over 20 years!

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Rich Va

09-22-2006 04:19:17




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 Re: power trol in reply to buckeye al, 09-21-2006 15:36:34  
buckeye al, i plumbed my 50 this way several years ago with the selector valve in the top port and added the pioneer couplings in the side ports. Everything does work ok but like you said the rockshaft is still in motion. I now also have a bad leak coming from under the tractor somewhere. So according to your post is it possible this is what caused my power trol leak? The reason I did plumb it this way is I have an aftermarket 3 pt hitch, and it was impossible to use the jd plugs with the 3pt in place. My e-mail is open if we could discuss this some more. I will be doing some work on this tractor soon to stop the leaks.

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buckeye al

09-22-2006 15:11:19




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 Re: power trol in reply to Rich Va, 09-22-2006 04:19:17  
The blowouts I always experienced were internal. Never to the great outdoors but if I recall correctly the oil passage from the PT valve body into the basic housing is near the bottom of the PT valve body. If a web of the PT to basic housing gasket is where yours blew out or even partially blew then yes you'd have a leak. I've never seen it but I 'spose it's sure possible!

For me the failure was always a right now type of thing. Was always the rockshaft cylinder to basic housing gasket, the piston cup or both. All worked fine until all of a sudden, the plow for example would not hold position and it would fall so fast you could not make a turn around at the ends without holding the operating handle in the slow raise position. Really inconvenient. A feller could run outta hands at the ends doing this!

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