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10 W oil replacement for M hydraulic?

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Bill in AR

05-28-2006 15:32:09




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have a John Deere M, #M12697 that is low on oil in the hydraulic system although it still seems to work. the reprint of the owner/operator's manual calls for s.a.e. 10-W motor oil for the "Touch-a-matic system", but places around here do not stock it.

the nearest jd dealer service manager didn't know what an M is, and suggested using jd hydraulic oil.
i don't want to put anything in which will cause problems.

any suggestions will be appreciated.

regards,

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P Browning

05-29-2006 07:56:18




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 Re: 10 W oil replacement for M hydraulic? in reply to Bill in AR, 05-28-2006 15:32:09  
Oil being described as 10-W appears to be an incomplete descriptor. There is 10W-30 & 10W-40 among others -- all meant to mean the viscosity of the oil when it is cold is equivalent to SAE 10 weight oil. Any oil with 10W as the first part of its SAE description will do just fine in your Model M tractor. If you are in a mild or very warm climate, I recommend the higher number like 10W-40 or even 10W-50. If you are in Minnesota for instance, 10W-20 would be the oil to use.

Steve's mention of non-detergent oil deserves merit too. Again, I like to see owners stay with lubes that were in wide use during the era of production -- some half-century ago!

It's not so unusual for anyone at the JD dealership to make off-the-wall recommendations such JD hydraulic oil. Think about the M -- produced 1947 - 52, and all averaged 15 years old by (say) 1966. That's 40 years ago. Most all JD parts guys working in that prime era are retired or have went on to some other choice in life. Point: The JD parts guy will likely have very little knowledge, and will (if wise) rely on the same source of information you have! One thing he should not do is "shoot from the hip". And when they do, you just pick up your cap and go down the road. Besides, this fellow told you he did not know beans about the Model M -- your first clue!

As far as use of the newer super blends such as Hi-Gard, some research may be in order before introducing these compounds -- I would be looking for some ingredients that may attack seals, etc. before using them. And until you have done your research, stay with lubes meant for equipments of the era they came with.

For your tractor, the Touch-O-Matic capacity is 3 quarts for Model M (five quarts for you Model MT owners). It might be a great time to drain the system and install new oil that is all of the same brand and weight -- this would baseline the lift system for you -- a new start so to speak. (PatB)

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Steve Crum

05-28-2006 19:00:32




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 Re: 10 W oil replacement for M hydraulic? in reply to Bill in AR, 05-28-2006 15:32:09  
I went to using 30w non-detergent in the touch-o-matic in my M. Even after I rebuilt the hydraulic pump, it still leaks by the shaft seal a little into the crank case. About a cup every ten hours of running, so I add about that much to the tom, and occasionally between service intervals, I drain some out of the crankcase. At least then I know the engine won't be trying to run with hydraulic oil in the crankcase.

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I Bleed Green

05-28-2006 15:46:03




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 Re: 10 W oil replacement for M hydraulic? in reply to Bill in AR, 05-28-2006 15:32:09  
John Deere didnt have Hy-Gard back in the two cylinder days, but its good to use in them. I use it in my 520 and 620



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