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70 Diesel pony motor not engaging right. HELP!!!!

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bdeerehunter

05-26-2006 08:03:23




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My 70 Diesel pony motor will not mesh on the flywheel unless I pull the lever before I start the pony motor. As you can imagine, this is not good on the electric starter. Any suggestions are a great help! Thanks Alot




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JLH79

06-04-2006 14:04:33




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 Re: 70 Diesel pony motor not engaging right. HELP! in reply to bdeerehunter, 05-26-2006 08:03:23  
I have a 70 that used to sound like a steel fence post being thrown into a chipper. I messed with it and could never get it right. I took mine to the dealer (VERY VERY VERY bad idea!!!) But here is how they fixed it:#1 Replaced double sided disk, then replaced the little brake pad as well as the bearings & seals and springs. be sure you use the book specs on setting the 3 set screws for the tension, this will determine when the gears start turning. In my opinion, if you are going to do all this, tear the clutch completely apart boil it and go with new seals, bearings. this is something you wont ever want to mess with again!!!

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bdeerehunter

06-05-2006 17:07:42




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 Re: 70 Diesel pony motor not engaging right. HELP! in reply to JLH79, 06-04-2006 14:04:33  
I"ll keep that in mnd thanks alot!



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Ted Dixon

06-01-2006 16:11:27




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 Re: 70 Diesel pony motor not engaging right. HELP! in reply to bdeerehunter, 05-26-2006 08:03:23  
I had one other comment on the pony motor problem. I bought an old one at a salvage dealer a couple of years ago and took it all apart. I had to replace the clutch disk w/facings and get new drive springs. I ALSO found out that it is a fairly tight slide with that facing hub on that transmission drive shaft. I'm wondering if some rust or dirt has found it's way on there and has galled up that shaft spline some and the facings don't want to slide back away from the back of that flywheel enough. That and the combination of weak springs, maybe. I know it's not a pleasant thought breaking a pony in half, but it may have to be done.

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720Deere

05-27-2006 05:40:03




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 Re: 70 Diesel pony motor not engaging right. HELP! in reply to bdeerehunter, 05-26-2006 08:03:23  
There are several adjustments on the linkage, but most likely your problem is related to the clutch and the the trans brake. As stated below the clutch adjustment could be too tight and is causing drag. The other more likely problem is the little brake pad that is supposed to hold the gears from moving until everything is engaged is either worn out, missing or oil soaked. I had a 720 with a leaking pony trans oil seal and it could be hard to engage because the brake just wouldn't hold.

It could also be that the linkages just aren't adjusted properly to allow that little brake to do it's job.

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Ted Dixon

05-26-2006 16:32:30




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 Re: 70 Diesel pony motor not engaging right. HELP! in reply to bdeerehunter, 05-26-2006 08:03:23  

I also have a 70 diesel that had this problem. I found out the hard way when I throttled up the pony from idle to run and tried to engage pinion to flywheel ringgear and all it did was grind on the flywheel. The 70 I have has a taper-loc flywheel. I changed procedure of how I started the tractor. First I shimmed the flywheel guard out SLIGHTLY so I could see the pinion and gear mesh correctly, the I lightly oil the pinion and linkage so it slides easily. Last, I engage the pony ONLY at idle speed to start motoring the diesel over,pony will turn diesel because it is not under compression yet,then I throttle up and move lever forward for compression and start diesel,then disengage. Just my two cents worth but it works on mine.

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Bdeerehunter

05-27-2006 03:59:12




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 Re: 70 Diesel pony motor not engaging right. HELP! in reply to Ted Dixon, 05-26-2006 16:32:30  
Ted, The Problem with mine is that it will grind on the flywheel even when the pony is at an idle. The teeth on both the flywheel and the pinion both look great (taper is still present) The pinion slides perfectly on the shaft. I put a small dab of oil around the shaft just for kicks but it had no effect. The return spring is in good shape as well. I'm still stumpped but I'll keep digin' 'till I figure it out. Thanks Alot for the help. bdeerehunter

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buckeye al

05-26-2006 15:10:05




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 Re: 70 Diesel pony motor not engaging right. HELP! in reply to bdeerehunter, 05-26-2006 08:03:23  
It might just be wear on the pinion and ring gears.

The best way to make sure what's happening is to remove the flywheel cover & inspect parts.

-Is the bevel gone from the leading (left or outside end) of the pinion gear's teeth?

-Are there two places on the ring gear where teeth are worn badly and do they have flat instead of beveled leading ends on the right or crank case end of the teeth? This can be solved (some times) by removing the gear, turning it a quarter turn & re-instaling it. Rather pointless if the pinion is in the same condition. Best to just replace 'em both if possible.

-Does the pinion slide smoothly and easily on the drive shaft without activating the clutch half of the toggle mechanism until it is at the fully engaged position?

-Is the toggle return spring intact and doing its job? If it broke & somebody reattached it's anchor end to the wrong location, the toggle won't work right.

-Start the pony. The pinion gear should NOT roll until well after it is fully engaged with the flywheel and the second stage of the toggle is operated by the operating handle.

Keep clear, safety first!

Best to make the whole gammut of adjustments per the shop manual on these.

Later.

Good luck.

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bdeerehunter

05-27-2006 04:11:40




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 Re: 70 Diesel pony motor not engaging right. HELP! in reply to buckeye al, 05-26-2006 15:10:05  
Al, The bevel is still good on both the pinion as well as the ring gear. The pinion slides awesome on the shaft and the return spring is in good shape (it will snap the pinion back when lever is disengaged, I assume this is correct) Now as for the pinion rolling when pony is running, it DOES roll slightly when it is disengaged but I checked the clutch and it is in proper adjustment per the deere shop manual. Is this normal for it to roll a little (20-30 RPM)? Thanks, bdeerehunter

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ET

05-26-2006 09:11:11




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 Re: 70 Diesel pony motor not engaging right. HELP! in reply to bdeerehunter, 05-26-2006 08:03:23  
The clutch is draging. You need to loosen it or find out how much grease is on it or what is making it drag.



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bdeerehunter

05-26-2006 12:12:47




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 Re: 70 Diesel pony motor not engaging right. HELP! in reply to ET, 05-26-2006 09:11:11  
I'll check the adjustment thanks alot!



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Dan in Ohio

05-27-2006 06:50:13




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 Re: 70 Diesel pony motor not engaging right. HELP! in reply to bdeerehunter, 05-26-2006 12:12:47  
bdeerehunter, I have had the same problem and have had success by using some brake cleaner or electric contact cleaner with a spray nozzle to clean off the brake pad as much as possible, then idle down the pony as much as possible. Something else I do (thats not in the book) is exercise the clutch (pull the lever and let snap back several times) before starting the pony. When I do not do this it almost always grinds. You can tell if what has been said helps by visually checking to see if the pinion is spining at idle. Try it, see if it works for you too.

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